Cassel's situational stats

[TommyHawk69]

Everybody wants to talk about how good Thigpen was for his first year starting. This was Cassel's first as well and he played alot better than Thigpen. I think it remains to be seen if either will make a superstar QB but my money is on Cassel before Thigpen. Cassel spread the ball around and Thigpen only looked for Gonzalez. It was almost sickening watching him almost throw a million picks throwing only to Gonzalez.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by TommyHawk69

This was Cassel's first as well and he played alot better than Thigpen. . It was almost sickening watching him almost throw a million picks throwing only to Gonzalez.

Thigpen may never amount to more than a backup QB, but it is silly to compare the two.

How many years was each in the NFL? Were they in the same system those years?
What kind of coaching did each player receive?
What was the surrounding talent like?

[TommyHawk69]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Thigpen may never amount to more than a backup QB, but it is silly to compare the two.

How many years was each in the NFL? Were they in the same system those years?
What kind of coaching did each player receive?
What was the surrounding talent like?

I was merely pointing that out for those who feel we were better off with Thigpen.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by TommyHawk69

I was merely pointing that out for those who feel we were better off with Thigpen.

someone actually felt that way?

[TommyHawk69]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

someone actually felt that way?

Yeah there were people saying that Thigpen should be given a chance.

[Mr. Krab]

Originally Posted by TommyHawk69

Yeah there were people saying that Thigpen should be given a chance.

Oh noes!!! people actually want Thigpen to get a chance!!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

someone actually felt that way?

Alot more than you'd think, actually.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by TommyHawk69

Everybody wants to talk about how good Thigpen was for his first year starting. This was Cassel's first as well and he played alot better than Thigpen. I think it remains to be seen if either will make a superstar QB but my money is on Cassel before Thigpen. Cassel spread the ball around and Thigpen only looked for Gonzalez. It was almost sickening watching him almost throw a million picks throwing only to Gonzalez.

To be fair to Thigpen here there are very major differences. Cassell stepped into a very established offense and was in his 4th year in the NFL out of USC and learned behind Brady.

Thigpen came into an offense averaging 9 points per game with an Oline that had already lead to the demise of 2 previous QB's. He was also only in his 2nd season in the NFL out of Coastal Carolina and had to learn behind Croyle and Huard.

To me what Thigpen did was more impressive than what Cassell did.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

To be fair to Thigpen here there are very major differences. Cassell stepped into a very established offense and was in his 4th year in the NFL out of USC and learned behind Brady.

Thigpen came into an offense averaging 9 points per game with an Oline that had already lead to the demise of 2 previous QB's. He was also only in his 2nd season in the NFL out of Coastal Carolina.

To me what Thigpen did was more impressive than what Cassell did.

Cassel rode the pine for the 4 years he was in the league, and another 4 years at USC.

Thigpen had an offense basically tailored around his strengths.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Cassel rode the pine for the 4 years he was in the league, and another 4 years at USC.

Thigpen had an offense basically tailored around his strengths.

Or tailored around the strengths of Thigpens Oline which was playing like a bunch of cardboard pop ups until they did go to the spread ie basically the same thing that Cassell spent the majority of his time in.

I do like Cassell's prototypical size over Thigpen though and hopefully that will allow us to play more out of Center with him as the starter.

As for Thigpen he was in a program at Coastal Carolina that had literally just began the year before he entered. Cassell has had better coaching, better QB's to learn from and better surrounding casts everywhere he has been.

[keg in kc]

You know, we keep having this same Thigpen/Cassel argument over and over and over despite the fact that Pioli effectively ended it a couple weeks back. The decision's been made, like it or not. Cassel's the guy.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

You know, we keep having this same Thigpen/Cassel argument over and over and over despite the fact that Pioli effectively ended it a couple weeks back. The decision's been made, like it or not. Cassel's the guy.

I didn't realize we were having an argument. I thought of it more as a discussion.

Of course I believe that Cassell will be the starter but to say he is for sure is proclaiming a knowledge of the unknown. If the team Haley was on went with Warner over their heavily invested 1st round draft pick Lienart I don't think it is inconceivable that if Thigpen shows more than Cassell that he could have that position as unlikely as it may seem.

Personally I don't have any favortism to either QB and I just want the guy who will turn out the best to be our starter.

[Delano]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

Of course I believe that Cassell will be the starter but to say he is for sure is proclaiming a knowledge of the unknown. If the team Haley was on went with Warner over their heavily invested 1st round draft pick Lienart I don't think it is inconceivable that if Thigpen shows more than Cassell that he could have that position as unlikely as it may seem.

Thigpen does nothing better than Cassell. Well... maybe skeleton ****ing, but I bet Cassell would win a skeleton ****ing contest if he tried.

Warner did things that Leinart could not.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

If the team Haley was on went with Warner over their heavily invested 1st round draft pick Lienart I don't think it is inconceivable that if Thigpen shows more than Cassell that he could have that position as unlikely as it may seem.

Personally I don't have any favortism to either QB and I just want the guy who will turn out the best to be our starter.

The situations couldn't be more different. Wisenhunt didn't draft Leinart, he inherited him. The franchise had an investment in Leinart, but the coaching staff certainly never did, not in 2007 or 2008. Because he wasn't their guy; he was Dennis Green's.

As for the Chiefs, they don't make that move if there's any question about who's going to be the starter come September. This isn't rookie versus veteran, they have a season of NFL tape on both guys. They made their choice, they chose their guy, and it's Cassel.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

Or tailored around the strengths of Thigpens Oline which was playing like a bunch of cardboard pop ups until they did go to the spread ie basically the same thing that Cassell spent the majority of his time in.

I do like Cassell's prototypical size over Thigpen though and hopefully that will allow us to play more out of Center with him as the starter.

As for Thigpen he was in a program at Coastal Carolina that had literally just began the year before he entered. Cassell has had better coaching, better QB's to learn from and better surrounding casts everywhere he has been.

I like Cassel's size, his intelligence, his mechanics and his accuracy 100x over than Thigpen.