Chiefs ranked 15th best QB corp. Guess who's 32nd?

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[Farzin]

Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

Mods..please change dickbag's name back to cutler1735 or whatever it was.

He deserves it.

Orton1735 has a better ring to it! It is the new QB after all (Assuming he beats out the other QB's...)

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Those guys are good, but they aren't Elway. Peyton Manning had a great WR core his ENTIRE career.

Idiot. By the way, Peyton Manning calls about 75% of the plays. He is the team's offensive coordinator. But okay.

Tom Brady is overrated. He wouldn't have one SB trophy if his team didn't cheat.

Idiot. Tom Brady then made a Super Bowl and went 16-0 in a year where the Pats didn't cheat.

Elway only had comparable talent to what Warner had his last 4 years.

Idiot. Warner is believed to be arguably the most accurate QB of our generation. Interesting that with the same supporting cast, the Rams never made a Super Bowl under Bulger.

AGAIN. That was Elway's last 4 years here. He went to 3 SB's with players like Ricky Natiel, Sammy Winder, Gerald Whilhite, Marc Jackson, Vance Johnson, Steve Watson, and Steve Sewell....
Here... Let me post this again because it seems like you missed it.

I didn't miss it. You're just plain wrong.

Let me get this straight. You're arguing that Elway is the only QB in history that can win a Super Bowl on his own. And then you suggest that QBs can only make the Super Bowl if they're surrounded with all-world talent. And then you suggest that Orton can lead this team to the top as long as the defense gets to AVERAGE (forget about the "all-world" argument). And then you suggest that Cutler is elite. And then you suggest that it's not a big deal to lose him. Don't think I'm not paying attention to the massive inconsistencies in your homeristic arguments.

I never said Kyle Orton wouuld be as good as Joe Montana or Peyton Manning. Actually I said I think he could be one of the top 10-15 QB's in the league this year. I think Orton will be solid and he won't hold us back. We can win playoff games with Orton if Denver has a respectable defense.

All QB's need a really talented team to win SB's. It's just Elway can do more with less than any QB in NFL history.

You are suggesting that Peyton and Montana and Warner only won Super Bowls because they had great supporting casts. Therefore, you are suggesting that those Super Bowls had NOTHING to do with the quality of the QBs. And that any QB could have made a Super Bowl with those supporting casts. If I am putting things together correctly, you are implying that Kyle Orton could have taken the 1999 Rams to the Super Bowl and won. You are suggesting that he could have taken any of those Colts teams to the Super Bowl and won because they have an outstanding receiver corps.

That is suggesting that Orton can lead a team as effectively as Manning and Warner. And that makes you, once again, uber-idiot.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Idiot. By the way, Peyton Manning calls about 75% of the plays. He is the team's offensive coordinator. But okay.


Idiot. Tom Brady then made a Super Bowl and went 16-0 in a year where the Pats didn't cheat.


Idiot. Warner is believed to be arguably the most accurate QB of our generation. Interesting that with the same supporting cast, the Rams never made a Super Bowl under Bulger.


I didn't miss it. You're just plain wrong.

Let me get this straight. You're arguing that Elway is the only QB in history that can win a Super Bowl on his own. And then you suggest that QBs can only make the Super Bowl if they're surrounded with all-world talent. And then you suggest that Orton can lead this team to the top as long as the defense gets to AVERAGE (forget about the "all-world" argument). And then you suggest that Cutler is elite. And then you suggest that it's not a big deal to lose him. Don't think I'm not paying attention to the massive inconsistencies in your homeristic arguments.



You are suggesting that Peyton and Montana and Warner only won Super Bowls because they had great supporting casts. Therefore, you are suggesting that those Super Bowls had NOTHING to do with the quality of the QBs. And that any QB could have made a Super Bowl with those supporting casts. If I am putting things together correctly, you are implying that Kyle Orton could have taken the 1999 Rams to the Super Bowl and won. You are suggesting that he could have taken any of those Colts teams to the Super Bowl and won because they have an outstanding receiver corps.

That is suggesting that Orton can lead a team as effectively as Manning and Warner. And that makes you, once again, uber-idiot.

You have a great way of missing the entire point of posts and spinning it into shit. Good job.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

You have a great way of missing the entire point of posts and spinning it into shit. Good job.

You have a great way of posting shit and spinning it into a missed point. Good job to you too.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Kyle Orton is for real.

I agree with you. Kyle Orton is a corporeal being on this plane of existence.


But he sucks at football.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You have a great way of posting shit and spinning it into a missed point. Good job to you too.

You just like to put words in my mouth by exaggerating what I said.

[LaChapelle]

I would like to help. But like expecting a drunk person to make a rational decision or an invalid to care for himself. I'll just pat you on the head and ask if there's school tomorrow?

[FAX]

Elway was an "under guard" loser until he was attacked by brain bugs which entered his cranium via the ear canal one night while he was in a drunken stupor. They attached themselves to his optic nerve and the parietal lobe - that section of his noodle responsible for movement, orientation, and the perception of stimuli. Fortunately for him, the parasites allowed him to function more effectively on the football field. Of course, had the NFL known about brain bugs at the time, they would have been declared illegal and, therefore, Elway would have been disqualified to play and any SB victories (as well as any other wins credited to him throughout his career) held to be null and void by the league. He benefited from a freak accident of nature. Nothing more.

FAX

[MMXcalibur]

I don't think Denver has the worst QB situation. Personally, I don't think Orton is THAT bad, but at the same time, he's no world beater. The defense still sucks in Denver and that should be their sieve (again). I think the Donks finish 5-11...at best.

As for Kansas City, I think our QB situation isn't too bad. We have a new QB who did really well with a slew of weapons around him in New England. The kicker is seeing if Cassel can make chicken salad out of chicken shit here in KC. Our backup is a quarterback that can at least keep the offense moving up the field. Could be worse....

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't know why people argue the Moreno point he is 99% certain to be the easy offensive rookie of the year, and saying you'd take LJ over him is sad, a 30 year old RB with major carries an attitude problem over a guy who's considered a team player that's in his early 20s?

There are lots of things wrong with Denver, their defense blows, they're going to rely on Kyle Orton which is a crapshoot, Brandon Marshall is a reerun, but Knowshon Moreno is going to be damn good.

Moreno was an incredible back in college. The key here being "college". He has yet to prove he can do anything in the NFL. While I believe he will probably be successful in the NFL, there is never any guarantee of that. I would think for a guy who is supposed to be such a draft guru, you would be aware of the possibility of busts.

Many, many players throughout the years who were great college players didn't live up to the hype once they got to the pros. Therefore, I think it is a little premature to be making predictions on a guy who has never taken a single snap in the NFL.

Another possible scenario is that Moreno will struggle his first year due to teams not respecting Orton and just stacking the box.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

No QB has went to more Super Bowl's and got bent over than John Elway did.

Just say'n.

FYP. Just sayin'

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by SNR

Packers should be MUCH higher. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB.

Great? No

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by PostRockPablo

Mods..please change dickbag's name back to cutler1735 or whatever it was.

He deserves it.

Just change it to AutumnWind Jr. He really deserves that.

[JD10367]

I see an Elway debate sprang up here.

I think it's hard to compare great quarterbacks, really. So much had to do with the team around them, the type of league it was at the time, the things that QB could do that were unique to the NFL at that time, etc.,. I mean, Dan Marino was a great QB, but never won a ring. I think it's easier to talk about groups of QBs.

The top group, IMO, would have in it: Marino, Montana, Elway, Brady, Peyton Manning, Unitas, Tittle, possibly Aikman and Favre (as much as I detest him) or even Bradshaw (say what you want about him, the guy knew how to win and was tough as nails).

The second-tier would be guys like Warren Moon, Steve Young, Dan Fouts, maybe Stabler and Plunkett, Jim Kelly, guys like that.

A tough guy to place, right now, is Roethlisberger. He doesn't always do it pretty, sometimes resembling Favre, but he manages to get it done and has won the SB twice now. Depending upon how the rest of his career goes will tell whether he's top tier or second-tier.

When it comes to the top-tier guys, I think any of them in their prime make a great case for "best ever". The ones who don't have the obvious natural talent, seem to have the intangibles of leadership and decision-making and level-headedness (i.e. comparing, say, a Marino or Elway to a Brady or Montana).

As for Orton, Cassel, and Cutler... let's wait a bit before we decide to carve any busts for Canton.

As for where the Broncos rank in QB grouping, I think it's too low. I despise them, but their QB grouping isn't worst in the league.

[CoMoChief]

Denver sucks. Their front office ****ed them for years to come. Their offense will be shittier than their defense if that's even possible, End of argument.

Thread over.