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Old 11-30-2009, 01:59 PM   #1
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Bullshit. Alabama or Florida with 1 loss deserves it more than TCU. TCU has destroyed its opponents so IMO they deserve an at-large bid in a BCS game, but until they play a tougher schedule...no way.
This is the thing....they may play in a weaker conference, but it's not like they are winning their games by a point or a field goal....they're slaughtering their opponents. They're undefeated and if you've ever watched them play, you don't need to watch them against Texas to know that they're pretty damn good.
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:03 PM   #2
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This is the thing....they may play in a weaker conference, but it's not like they are winning their games by a point or a field goal....they're slaughtering their opponents. They're undefeated and if you've ever watched them play, you don't need to watch them against Texas to know that they're pretty damn good.
It's not so much who they've beat and by how much, but it's about what Fla and Alabama have accomplished in the SEC. Give TCU a full SEC schedule and see what happens. I doubt they fair as well. Samething with Cincinatti. Here's a team worse than TCU, but they get in the big conference and they will probbaly play in thier second orange bowl against Clemson or Gerogia Tech.
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:10 PM   #3
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It's not so much who they've beat and by how much, but it's about what Fla and Alabama have accomplished in the SEC. Give TCU a full SEC schedule and see what happens. I doubt they fair as well. Samething with Cincinatti. Here's a team worse than TCU, but they get in the big conference and they will probbaly play in thier second orange bowl against Clemson or Gerogia Tech.
Because Mississipi St, South Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Auburn and Vanderbilt are all football powerhouses
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:32 PM   #4
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Because Mississipi St, South Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Auburn and Vanderbilt are all football powerhouses
Strength of Schedule:

Alabama -- 14 (and going up after this weekend)
Florida -- 20 (and going up after this weekend)
Texas -- 41
Cincinnati -- 58 (and going up after this weekend)
TCU -- 68
BSU -- 80


Garcia Bronco's comments about scheduling makes me wonder when Utah/Michigan last year was originally scheduled, because the opposite took place... Utah wanted a decent OOC opponent, but Michigan sucked.
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:38 PM   #5
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Strength of Schedule:

Alabama -- 14 (and going up after this weekend)
Florida -- 20 (and going up after this weekend)
Texas -- 41
Cincinnati -- 58 (and going up after this weekend)
TCU -- 68
BSU -- 80


Garcia Bronco's comments about scheduling makes me wonder when Utah/Michigan last year was originally scheduled, because the opposite took place... Utah wanted a decent OOC opponent, but Michigan sucked.
I wasn't trying to make the argument that TCU had a stronger schedule but to act like the SEC is full of mythic football powerhouses is nonsense.
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:38 PM   #6
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[QUOTE=KC native;6306111]I wasn't trying to make the argument that TCU had a stronger schedule but to act like the SEC is full of mythic football powerhouses is nonsense.[/QUOTE]
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:42 PM   #7
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Strength of Schedule:

Alabama -- 14 (and going up after this weekend)
Florida -- 20 (and going up after this weekend)
Texas -- 41
Cincinnati -- 58 (and going up after this weekend)
TCU -- 68
BSU -- 80


Garcia Bronco's comments about scheduling makes me wonder when Utah/Michigan last year was originally scheduled, because the opposite took place... Utah wanted a decent OOC opponent, but Michigan sucked.
According to Boise State, that tried to schedule tougher non-conference games and had ZERO TAKERS.
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:45 PM   #8
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According to Boise State, that tried to schedule tougher non-conference games and had ZERO TAKERS.
TCU has a problem getting good games too. The top tier schools don't want to risk a loss to a tough ooc opponent so they won't schedule the games. Texas Tech (while not an elite school) just recently backed out of a future game with TCU.
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Old 11-30-2009, 02:39 PM   #9
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Because Mississipi St, South Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Auburn and Vanderbilt are all football powerhouses
When compared to Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Wyoming and Air Force.... yes.
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When compared to Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Wyoming and Air Force.... yes.
And when compared to TCU, BYU and Utah, no.
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And when compared to TCU, BYU and Utah, no.
I'd take Tennessee, Georgia and possibly even South Carolina, Auburn and Arkansas over BYU. Hell, BYU got kicked around by Florida State.
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I'd take Tennessee, Georgia and possibly even South Carolina, Auburn and Arkansas over BYU. Hell, BYU got kicked around by Florida State.
So you're trying to argue that those schools are football powerhouses now?

FTR, if Florida/Alabama and Texas are undefeated they should be in the NC. If Texas loses (which I doubt will happen) then TCU should go.
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And when compared to TCU, BYU and Utah, no.
BYU is your standard for a strong conference opponent?

ARLINGTON, Texas — As BYU prepares to face No. 3 Oklahoma on Saturday, it's hard to ignore the Cougars' futility against ranked nonconference opponents.

BYU has dropped 12 consecutive games to ranked nonconference opponents and since joining the Mountain West Conference in 1999, the Cougars are 2-13 against teams ranked in the Associated Press Top 25 poll.

The last time the Cougars beat a ranked nonconference foe was in 1998, when they downed No. 14 Arizona State at home, 26-6.

The last time BYU defeated a ranked nonconference opponent on a neutral field was on New Year's Day, 1997, with a 19-15 victory over No. 14 Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl.

And the last time the Cougars knocked off a nonconference team ranked in the Top 10 occurred in 1990, when they upset No. 1 Miami in Provo, 28-21.

In his four years at the helm, BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall owns a 1-6 mark against ranked opponents.

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BYU is your standard for a strong conference opponent?

ARLINGTON, Texas — As BYU prepares to face No. 3 Oklahoma on Saturday, it's hard to ignore the Cougars' futility against ranked nonconference opponents.

BYU has dropped 12 consecutive games to ranked nonconference opponents and since joining the Mountain West Conference in 1999, the Cougars are 2-13 against teams ranked in the Associated Press Top 25 poll.

The last time the Cougars beat a ranked nonconference foe was in 1998, when they downed No. 14 Arizona State at home, 26-6.

The last time BYU defeated a ranked nonconference opponent on a neutral field was on New Year's Day, 1997, with a 19-15 victory over No. 14 Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl.

And the last time the Cougars knocked off a nonconference team ranked in the Top 10 occurred in 1990, when they upset No. 1 Miami in Provo, 28-21.

In his four years at the helm, BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall owns a 1-6 mark against ranked opponents.

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Now for a complete picture why don't you pull up Utah and TCU's records against non-conference ranked opponents.
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