I know most of you would love a safety but we need pass rush.

[Param]

Jared Allen :sigh:

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by Param

Jared Allen :sigh:

People need to get over this wistful Jared Allen crap. Has anyone even bothered looking at his stats this year?

He has 12.5 sacks. Thats a good number, but look at the game splits. 7.5 of those sacks came in two games against the Packers and their shit line. Against the rest of the NFL, Allen has 5 sacks in 9 games.

We dont play the Packers once, let alone twice, so what good does that do us? Based on his sack rate against everyone else the Vikings have played, if Allen was in KC right now he would have about 6 sacks. Except that sack rate is based on his performance with the big ol Williams boys in the middle of his defensive line, which would not be the case here. So his number would drop even lower.

We could be nice and say it would only take 1 sack off his total, so that would leave him with 5. A whole 5 sacks. That is 1.5 more than Tamba Hali has.

Is anyone going to argue that we should have spent $70M on a guy who would be giving us 5 sacks one year after his deal?

And before anyone says Allen having a lack of production must be opening things up for other people, other than their games against the Packers the Vikings arent getting sacks at any better rate than they were a year ago.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

People need to get over this wistful Jared Allen crap. Has anyone even bothered looking at his stats this year?

He has 12.5 sacks. Thats a good number, but look at the game splits. 7.5 of those sacks came in two games against the Packers and their shit line. Against the rest of the NFL, Allen has 5 sacks in 9 games.

We dont play the Packers once, let alone twice, so what good does that do us? Based on his sack rate against everyone else the Vikings have played, if Allen was in KC right now he would have about 6 sacks. Except that sack rate is based on his performance with the big ol Williams boys in the middle of his defensive line, which would not be the case here. So his number would drop even lower.

We could be nice and say it would only take 1 sack off his total, so that would leave him with 5. A whole 5 sacks. That is 1.5 more than Tamba Hali has.

Is anyone going to argue that we should have spent $70M on a guy who would be giving us 5 sacks one year after his deal?

And before anyone says Allen having a lack of production must be opening things up for other people, other than their games against the Packers the Vikings arent getting sacks at any better rate than they were a year ago.

True, but consider the fact that MOST elite DEs get a good number of their sacks against teams with shakey offensive lines/QBs who hold onto the ball for too damn long. The Packers are just a team that Jared capitalized against, and he played them twice in a season.

Take away the top two games of production away from ANY good DE and you'll find numbers very similar to Jared's. Also... Jared gets 7.5 sacks taken away for playing the Packers twice but Tamba doesn't get however many sacks taken away from the good games he had against the Redskins and Raiders? (I think those were his good games, can't remember though)

[Boris The Great]

Originally Posted by SNR

True, but consider the fact that MOST elite DEs get a good number of their sacks against teams with shakey offensive lines/QBs who hold onto the ball for too damn long.

Detroit has given up the 4th most sacks in the NFL this year. Know how many sacks Allen had against them in two games? One.

Pittsburgh and Seattle are in the top 10 of sacks allowed. Know how many sacks Allen got against both of those teams combined? Zero.

Cleveland and St. Louis are just outside the top 10. Allen was shut out against them too.

Its obvious that no one has paid attention to this. People can laugh it away all they want, but the numbers dont lie.

Originally Posted by SNR

Take away the top two games of production away from ANY good DE and you\'ll find numbers very similar to Jareds

How often does the top two games of production of a good DE come against the same team? And how often are the rest of his games as average as Allens have been?

Originally Posted by SNR

Also... Jared gets 7.5 sacks taken away for playing the Packers twice but Tamba doesnt get however many sacks taken away from the good games he had against the Redskins and Raiders?

The point of my post was not that Hali is doing well. Its how disturbingly close to his sack numbers Allen would be without the Packers games padding his stats. But Hali only had 1.5 sacks against the Raiders and Redskins combined. His others were against NYG and Baltimore.

Incidentally, though, Hali has 26 QB pressures on the season. Allen has 19.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Boris The Great

People need to get over this wistful Jared Allen crap. Has anyone even bothered looking at his stats this year?

He has 12.5 sacks. Thats a good number, but look at the game splits. 7.5 of those sacks came in two games against the Packers and their shit line. Against the rest of the NFL, Allen has 5 sacks in 9 games.

We dont play the Packers once, let alone twice, so what good does that do us? Based on his sack rate against everyone else the Vikings have played, if Allen was in KC right now he would have about 6 sacks. Except that sack rate is based on his performance with the big ol Williams boys in the middle of his defensive line, which would not be the case here. So his number would drop even lower.

We could be nice and say it would only take 1 sack off his total, so that would leave him with 5. A whole 5 sacks. That is 1.5 more than Tamba Hali has.

Is anyone going to argue that we should have spent $70M on a guy who would be giving us 5 sacks one year after his deal?

And before anyone says Allen having a lack of production must be opening things up for other people, other than their games against the Packers the Vikings arent getting sacks at any better rate than they were a year ago.