KSU Coach Martin Hits KSU Player. Is this an issue? - Page 4

|Zach| · 01-09-2010, 04:40 PM

Not trying to sling shit. I honestly don't know if something will be made of this. With all the player\coach crap that has been coming up in the Big 12. Video below...

Thoughts?

MikeMaslowski · 01-09-2010, 07:43 PM

I missed some blocks and my coach dragged me back, had me stand like the QB sprinted his old ass 10 yards and smoked the shit outta me. I didn't miss a backside block the rest of the year. And we won state. This clip doesn't bother me...coach looks pretty effin intense though.

WilliamTheIrish · 01-09-2010, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Seems strange to me that Franks would do such a thing?
I would be a little upset if Coach Self did that...

Seems like an anger management issue.. Doubt much comes of it, but was pretty stupid to do, given the circumstances around the country like William said...

Franks will learn.

To bo honest other than the extreme oversensitivity to the issue I can't see what he did that would be considered 'hitting'.

beer bacon · 01-09-2010, 07:56 PM

Martin is a good coach. When K-State hired him I thought he was just some joker that was supposed to hold onto Huggins' recruits. He has proved me wrong.

**Lzen** · 01-09-2010, 08:08 PM

That is nothing.

Dante84 · 01-09-2010, 08:08 PM

Reerun_KC · 01-09-2010, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

To bo honest other than the extreme oversensitivity to the issue I can't see what he did that would be considered 'hitting'.

Fair enough... Makes me no never mind anyway...

**jAZ** · 01-09-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Disagree to a point...

Physical abuse isnt acceptable... Regardless of the media...

I agree, but poking a guy in the chest and then low-fiving him wouldn't qualify as "physical abuse" in the least. But it could easily be a media-generated 'controversy' that might drive ratings for a few days. That would be pretty common and pretty unacceptable IMO.

**jAZ** · 01-09-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

He hit him on the hand. Who cares.

Looked like a low-5 to me.

WilliamTheIrish · 01-09-2010, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ

I agree, but poking a guy in the chest and then low-fiving him wouldn't qualify as "physical abuse" in the least. But it could easily be a media-generated 'controversy' that might drive ratings for a few days. That would be pretty common and pretty unacceptable IMO.

I don't think Zach was trying to create controversy. But I do agree completely about the "creating controversy to generate ratings" issue.

arrowheadnation · 01-09-2010, 09:10 PM

Looks like to me he hit him, then realized he ****ed up so he quickly threw in an "atta boy" five to cover for it.

Archie F. Swin · 01-09-2010, 09:24 PM

Do you have a different camera angle that shows indisputable contact?

black angus · 01-09-2010, 09:27 PM

I doubt that KSU is looking for an excuse to can Martin so it's all good. Mangino and Leach were scapegoated to save their schools money.

WilliamTheIrish · 01-09-2010, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by black angus

I doubt that KSU is looking for an excuse to can Martin so it's all good. Mangino and Leach were scapegoated to save their schools money.

Hey Angus,

When I was a kid there was a great "bad guy" wrestler in the midwest called "Black Angus". Is that where your screen name came from?

Coogs · 01-09-2010, 09:34 PM

From The Topeka Capital-Journal....

http://cjonline.com/sports/basketbal...gnizes_mistake

Column: Martin recognizes mistake

COLUMBIA, Mo. — The day and age we live in dictated that Frank Martin begin his postgame press conference with a statement on Saturday.

Nothing regarding constant fouls, bottomless free throws, late defensive breakdowns, ineffective post play or the homecourt advantage that contributed to the 30th straight win for Mizzou in its namesake arena.

Instead, an apology was issued.

"I kind of whacked Chris Merriewether in the side there after that one turnover, and we just talked about that in the locker room," said the Kansas State basketball coach.

"That's a mistake on my part. I'm an old-school guy, but I also understand that times are real sensitive right now. I love him, and I don't know what to tell you. Wrong on my part, completely out of line and had no part in the game. I need to apologize for those actions."

Good for Martin. He admitted to his mistake up front. Repeated so privately to me before boarding the bus to head home after Missouri took charge late to trip K-State 74-68 in the Big 12 opener.

The "flick," as Martin also described the incident, more resembled a quick jab. It happened with 1:17 remaining and the Wildcats huddled at their bench after Jamar Samuels fouled out. Seconds earlier, a pass by Merriewether was stolen by the Tigers' Marcus Denmon, one of 21 turnovers committed by K-State.

Sure, Martin understands the perception he's a hothead. He even used that word mockingly to describe himself when recalling his preseason take on Missouri and how the Tigers were unfairly overlooked.

Maybe the incident will solidify the image some perceive of Martin the madman. No question, he is intense.

But he was quick to address his sideline indiscretion and appropriately confronted it head on. Well enough that no one was compelled to ask anything more about it.

Fan forums aren't threaded this way, but the matter should be closed, especially based on Merriewether's own postgame reaction.

"It was just the heat of the moment, big game, a lot of big plays going on," said the former walk-on. "We've got to have some of those plays. I mean, he hit me in the arm."

Oh, but this is the new and evolving world of P.C. sports — where Mark Mangino, Mike Leach and Jim Leavitt recently lost their jobs as head football coaches stemming from behavioral issues that were primarily outside the public domain.

When advised of the stir Martin's whack could cause, Merriewether affirmed his support of the K-State coach.

"I trust Frank, Frank trusts me. He's had my back since Day 1. I'll always have his back," Merriewether said.

No need, apparently, to call Daddy.

If anything, the Cats' inside toughness is the biggest issue to address coming out of their first loss in 11 games.

Their starting frontcourt — Dominique Sutton, Curtis Kelly and Luis Colon — combined for 10 points. Kelly didn't even play 10 minutes and probably wouldn't have re-entered late in the game had Colon and Jamar Samuels not fouled out.

Add Samuels, Jordan Henriquez-Roberts and Wally Judge and the K-State frontliners contributed 20 points and 19 boards. Not good. Especially considering MU's bigs have struggled to resemble the presence DeMarre Carroll and Leo Lyons commanded last season.

But K-State relied far too much on scoring from its backcourt. Merriewether included. He netted a career-high eight points. By doing so, Merriewether again became a subject of conversation for Martin.

"He knows that he has his limitations on offense," Martin said. "He plays with an unbelievable desire. And that's what gives him the opportunity to play in the Big 12. But when he's your third best offensive player in a basketball game, you're going to have some issues."

Farzin · 01-09-2010, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Somebody cares to make a video of it.....

Maybe just to get views?

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\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3176768	Coach Martin Hits KSU Player. Is this an issue? Not trying to sling shit. I honestly don't know if something will be made of this. With all the player\coach crap that has been coming up in the Big 12. Video below... Thoughts?
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MikeMaslowski There's always next year. Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10009290	I missed some blocks and my coach dragged me back, had me stand like the QB sprinted his old ass 10 yards and smoked the shit outta me. I didn't miss a backside block the rest of the year. And we won state. This clip doesn't bother me...coach looks pretty effin intense though.
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black angus Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	I doubt that KSU is looking for an excuse to can Martin so it's all good. Mangino and Leach were scapegoated to save their schools money.
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01-09-2010, 09:34 PM	#59
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2075651	From The Topeka Capital-Journal.... http://cjonline.com/sports/basketbal...gnizes_mistake Column: Martin recognizes mistake COLUMBIA, Mo. — The day and age we live in dictated that Frank Martin begin his postgame press conference with a statement on Saturday. Nothing regarding constant fouls, bottomless free throws, late defensive breakdowns, ineffective post play or the homecourt advantage that contributed to the 30th straight win for Mizzou in its namesake arena. Instead, an apology was issued. "I kind of whacked Chris Merriewether in the side there after that one turnover, and we just talked about that in the locker room," said the Kansas State basketball coach. "That's a mistake on my part. I'm an old-school guy, but I also understand that times are real sensitive right now. I love him, and I don't know what to tell you. Wrong on my part, completely out of line and had no part in the game. I need to apologize for those actions." Good for Martin. He admitted to his mistake up front. Repeated so privately to me before boarding the bus to head home after Missouri took charge late to trip K-State 74-68 in the Big 12 opener. The "flick," as Martin also described the incident, more resembled a quick jab. It happened with 1:17 remaining and the Wildcats huddled at their bench after Jamar Samuels fouled out. Seconds earlier, a pass by Merriewether was stolen by the Tigers' Marcus Denmon, one of 21 turnovers committed by K-State. Sure, Martin understands the perception he's a hothead. He even used that word mockingly to describe himself when recalling his preseason take on Missouri and how the Tigers were unfairly overlooked. Maybe the incident will solidify the image some perceive of Martin the madman. No question, he is intense. But he was quick to address his sideline indiscretion and appropriately confronted it head on. Well enough that no one was compelled to ask anything more about it. Fan forums aren't threaded this way, but the matter should be closed, especially based on Merriewether's own postgame reaction. "It was just the heat of the moment, big game, a lot of big plays going on," said the former walk-on. "We've got to have some of those plays. I mean, he hit me in the arm." Oh, but this is the new and evolving world of P.C. sports — where Mark Mangino, Mike Leach and Jim Leavitt recently lost their jobs as head football coaches stemming from behavioral issues that were primarily outside the public domain. When advised of the stir Martin's whack could cause, Merriewether affirmed his support of the K-State coach. "I trust Frank, Frank trusts me. He's had my back since Day 1. I'll always have his back," Merriewether said. No need, apparently, to call Daddy. If anything, the Cats' inside toughness is the biggest issue to address coming out of their first loss in 11 games. Their starting frontcourt — Dominique Sutton, Curtis Kelly and Luis Colon — combined for 10 points. Kelly didn't even play 10 minutes and probably wouldn't have re-entered late in the game had Colon and Jamar Samuels not fouled out. Add Samuels, Jordan Henriquez-Roberts and Wally Judge and the K-State frontliners contributed 20 points and 19 boards. Not good. Especially considering MU's bigs have struggled to resemble the presence DeMarre Carroll and Leo Lyons commanded last season. But K-State relied far too much on scoring from its backcourt. Merriewether included. He netted a career-high eight points. By doing so, Merriewether again became a subject of conversation for Martin. "He knows that he has his limitations on offense," Martin said. "He plays with an unbelievable desire. And that's what gives him the opportunity to play in the Big 12. But when he's your third best offensive player in a basketball game, you're going to have some issues."
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