14 of 23 for 85 ****ing yards?

[Hammock Parties]

Are we playing it close to the vest or are we going to keep Cassel on the NFL's shortest leash all season long?

I sincerely hope it's the former, because the latter will be a bunch of bullshit.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by milkman

That is exactly what I noted about his game in New England.

He simply isn't good out of the pro set, and his game improved measurably when the Patriors started using teh shotgun spread offense pretty much as their base offense.

He hasn't gotten any better in the pro set since..

He is a taller and expensive Tyler Thipgpen.

FYP

[ArrowheadMagic]

Originally Posted by Coach

FYP

And what does all the crying about it fix?

[ArrowheadMagic]

Seriously we all know Cassel isnt the answer. We know Cassel's contract isnt going to put us in cap hell. Why the obsession with wanting to push buttons? Shame on you guys for expecting more. If 1 + 1 =2 is it necessary for 100,000 posts to tell us why it does?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

And what does all the crying about it fix?

Becuase he has not shown progress that we all were hoping for, especially the fact that he's being paid 60 some million dollars, along with the fact that he had all off-season to correct or at least improve his weakness, which is obvious, that he hasn't improved jack.

The Chiefs have at least made attempts to improve the offensive side, which, to their credit, did in some skill position sets, and while the offensive line is still need of improvement, it's still alot better than what they started off last year. You would think, after all that minor improvements, that the QB play would improve.

Unfortunately, I have not seen anything that indicates of any improvement, other than the mastery of throwing a 2-3 yard dumpoffs to the RB's out in the flat, and at some point, one of those RB's will eventually get killed in the process, becuase he is leaving them exposed to big hits.

I strongly feel that he is the person that is really holding this offense back in a big way. What bothers me is that, the Chiefs, knowing that they have uncertain on Cassel coming to year two, and should have known Brodie's ineffectiveness to stay healthy throughout a season, that they didn't address either a legitimate QB that could contend Brodie for the job.

Instead, we got Tyler Palko, so yes, I will complain about it, becuase it is warranted. Until he actually plays like a legitimate QB, and I'm not talking about being a younger version of "Mr. Captain Checkdown", I'm talking about making the correct reads, getting rid of the ball faster, and play like an actual QB.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

Seriously we all know Cassel isnt the answer. We know Cassel's contract isnt going to put us in cap hell. Why the obsession with wanting to push buttons? Shame on you guys for expecting more. If 1 + 1 =2 is it necessary for 100,000 posts to tell us why it does?

The problem we all fear is that the Chiefs will exercise that contract.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

And what does all the crying about it fix?

When you go to a restaurant & order a medium rare steak & it comes to you burnt crisp , would you complain to the waiter? Or just eat it & deal with it?

If you go through McDonalds drive through and order a Big Mac, Fries & Coke, They forget to put the hamburger in the Big Mac & give you a diet Coke, would you go back inside & make them get it right or would you just accept it and deal with it?

Maybe there was a hair in your soup? Just accept it would you?

Maybe we can't fix it, but it sure doesn't hurt to complain in hopes that one day they get it right.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Originally Posted by Coach

What bothers me is that, the Chiefs, knowing that they have uncertain on Cassel coming to year two, and should have known Brodie's ineffectiveness to stay healthy throughout a season, that they didn't address either a legitimate QB that could contend Brodie for the job.

As much time your response probably took. Is all that was needed. The fact you thought he would physically transform into something he isnt in one off season says something about what you are looking at watching him play.


The only error is not having someone behind him, developing, when his contract allows us to walk away after this year.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

As much time your response probably took. Is all that was needed. The fact you thought he would physically transform into something he isnt in one off season says something about what you are looking at watching him play.


The only error is not having someone behind him, developing, when his contract allows us to walk away after this year.

I can agree with this post, if we had a young QB that's going to develop and hopefully start ASAP to replace Cassel. I could deal with Cassel being the guy for a period, but would be exited just to have a prospect in the wings. Knowing his time will come.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Be mad at not having someone developed behind Cassel. Be mad at yourself for ranting along with others about wanting or expecting Cassel to be something he physically isnt able to be. Consistently posting about how bad Cassel is, is either trying to push buttons and slinging shit or you dont really know what it is your watching.


From your posts, your intelligent enough to know watch your watching. Is it really that important enough to sling shit?

[ArrowheadMagic]

Its the same crowd that thinks a spread QB like Bradford cant play in the NFL.... but thinks Gabbert is a true prospect.

[Bugeater]

Cassel ****ing sucks.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

As much time your response probably took. Is all that was needed. The fact you thought he would physically transform into something he isnt in one off season says something about what you are looking at watching him play.


The only error is not having someone behind him, developing, when his contract allows us to walk away after this year.

If it actually took as much as my response would be, then we'd have at least someone who is a young QB that the Chiefs could groom for the QBOTF, competing with Brodie and Palko for the back-up job, while Cassel continues to stink up the joint. If the Chiefs have that young player, then I can handle the Cassel shit for another year.

Problem is, the Chiefs don't have that kind of a player. Also apparently the coaches are showing "no confidence" like running consecutive draw plays while the clock showing 1:05 and 3 TOs left, just to try to get in a field goal position, instead of letting Cassel try to throw 10-15 or more yards.

And with Pioli and to a lesser extent, Haley not addressing that issue during the previous off-season, it tells me that they are, apparently for now, prepared to go foward with Cassel beyond 2010-2011 season.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Originally Posted by Coach

If it actually took as much as my response would be, then we'd have at least someone who is a young QB that the Chiefs could groom for the QBOTF, competing with Brodie and Palko for the back-up job, while Cassel continues to stink up the joint. If the Chiefs have that young player, then I can handle the Cassel shit for another year.

Problem is, the Chiefs don't have that kind of a player. Also apparently the coaches are showing "no confidence" like running consecutive draw plays while the clock showing 1:05 and 3 TOs left, just to try to get in a field goal position, instead of letting Cassel try to throw 10-15 or more yards.

And with Pioli and to a lesser extent, Haley not addressing that issue during the previous off-season, it tells me that they are, apparently for now, prepared to go foward with Cassel beyond 2010-2011 season.

True there should be something behind Cassel, its not a point we are going to argue. Maybe my expectations of Cassel is different than yours? I gave him a chance, see why he isnt a franchise QB... and found other things ...front 7 lack of push on short yardage running plays, to concentrate on. Preseason isnt about doing whats right in real game situations, it is about learning how to be the team we are trying to create. Sorry, but what I saw watching from my seats last night was a team trying to be more physical.. against a team know for its physicality and a team that completely dismantled us last year.


Your issue as with many this year apparently, is to beat a dead horse about Cassel's ability. Its dead. YES we know he isnt the answer. YES we should have someone behind him developing. But whats the point of consistently asking a guy to be something he isnt?


Again, its borderline slinging shit or pushing buttons.. You are a better football guy than that. Dont be that guy whose knowledge is internet fed.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Cassel ****ing sucks.

Actually, he doesn't.

He's "good enough" to get a team to the playoffs.

Therein lies the greatest fear of Chiefs fans.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic

True there should be something behind Cassel, its not a point we are going to argue. Maybe my expectations of Cassel is different than yours? I gave him a chance, see why he isnt a franchise QB... and found other things ...front 7 lack of push on short yardage running plays, to concentrate on. Preseason isnt about doing whats right in real game situations, it is about learning how to be the team we are trying to create. Sorry, but what I saw watching from my seats last night was a team trying to be more physical.. against a team know for its physicality and a team that completely dismantled us last year.


Your issue as with many this year apparently, is to beat a dead horse about Cassel's ability. Its dead. YES we know he isnt the answer. YES we should have someone behind him developing. But whats the point of consistently asking a guy to be something he isnt?


Again, its borderline slinging shit or pushing buttons.. You are a better football guy than that. Dont be that guy whose knowledge is internet fed.

Perhaps my expectations from a 60 million dollar QB may be different than yours then. My expectations from him is to be an actual QB, who can make the proper reads, instead of having to check down the RB practically 90 some percent of the time (yes, maybe a exaggeration, but it's the feeling nonethless), which we have been seeing so far up to this point. Most other QB's in the NFL, either starter or back-up, can do the same thing Cassel is doing for far much cheaper price. In all, he's not playing like a $60 million dollar QB should be playing.

And from your point of view, that they were trying to be physical, I do agree with you on that assessment, on defense. On offense, it's a work in progess, but if the Eagles game was any indicator of it, then there's some progress, progress that we all want to see, becuase we didn't have that physical game last year.

My issue isn't about beating the dead horse. My issue here is, how come the coaching staff, or to a degree, the GM, still continue to trot the dead horse out there, when there is no apparent progress up to this point, and nothing was addressed on the depth on that particitular position before the season started. My issue is the how people at 1 Arrowhead Drive don't see the big picture on Cassel?

And for whatever it's worth, I don't think it is slinging shit or pushing buttons. I call how I see it, and if people doesn't like it, then that's their problem. They need to grow some thick skin or move on.