I know everyone on CP hates Cassel.....

[Three7s]

So, after listening to Petro's weekly PMS rant about people unfairly bashing Cassel, I started wondering. What would it take for people to actually.....LIKE Cassel? I don't know if there's a thread on this or not because I'm way too lazy to go through all of the Cassel bashing threads.

FWIW, I don't think Cassel is all that great either, but he can, at least, complete a pass once in awhile, unlike guys like Campbell.

What I think would sway my feelings toward him is to do what he did against the Broncos, only when it REALLY matters. I know it would go against our offensive philosophy, but teams are stacking the box on us so much that it looks like it has to be done.......so how about you guys?

[Hammock Parties]

Hamas is right, but he would love to be wrong.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is a whole lot of drivel. The least you could do is actually offer evidence to support your claim. Then it might actually have merit.

and right on cue. predictable. boring.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

I'm not sure what play you're talking about, unless you're mistaking Bowe for Charles, who also got lit up.

But if you want another example, on that deep ball to Chambers he overthrew by five yards, Moeaki was wide open over the deep middle. It would have been an easier throw.

Bowe was damn near killed in Denver. Got up quickly, talking some shit to let Broncos players know that he'd still be importing.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by stevieray

and right on cue. predictable. boring.

You're pretty much doing the same thing you were doing when people were (correctly) calling out Grbac for subpar play.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by stevieray

and right on cue. predictable. boring.

This is just nonsense.

Here's how argumentation works:

You make a claim, you support that claim with evidence.

Example:

"Cassel went through his reads" (claim)

Ok, where's the evidence?

Counterargument:

"Cassel didn't go through his reads and can't read a defense" (claim)

Evidence: the multiple things I listed that you excised.

Your retort was a red herring about Haley and Pioli and then another non-sequitur.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Brock

You're pretty much doing the same thing you were doing when people were (correctly) calling out Grbac for subpar play.

He's like the little boy that doesn't want to hear there is no Santa.

BTW, stevie, there is no Santa Claus.

[Three7s]

I'm assuming that the Chiefs run the West Coast offense, if not then I can't think of another offensive system that makes sense with the Chiefs offensive philosophies. Assuming that, everyone should know that the WCO requires a QB that makes QUICK reads to open receivers.

Our problem is, while Cassel knows they need to be quick, they're wrong a little bit too much for most everyone's liking. I think that's why Cassel does seem to get better later in the game. The WCO is designed for short routes early on to get the defense spread out, then use that advantage to go deeper, which means not as quick of reads by the QB.

Another big problem is a WCO QB needs to be deadly accurate, and Cassel isn't quite there.......

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Brock

You're pretty much doing the same thing you were doing when people were (correctly) calling out Grbac for subpar play.

Grbac eventualy spiraled out of control and became a complete wuss. It wasn't hard to abandon that ship.

I stood behind Green too...you remember the trint year.

Cassel isn't going anywhere. they are in year two, and as been shown the defense and running game aren't where they need to be. the quick start has deluded the status of this team..still has lots of work to be done, including QB play.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by stevieray

the defense and running game aren't where they need to be.

Most hilarious post of this season.

The defense and running game are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the passing game.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Grbac eventualy spiraled out of control and became a complete wuss. It wasn't hard to abandon that ship.

Cassel isn't going anywhere. they are in year two, and as been shown the defense and running game aren't where they need to be. the quick start has deluded the status of this team..still has lots of work to be done, including QB play.

The limiting factor on this team isn't defense or the running game. You could have all-pro players at every position and the team is still limited by the guy distributing the ball.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Three7s

I'm assuming that the Chiefs run the West Coast offense, if not then I can't think of another offensive system that makes sense with the Chiefs offensive philosophies. Assuming that, everyone should know that the WCO requires a QB that makes QUICK reads to open receivers.

Our problem is, while Cassel knows they need to be quick, they're wrong a little bit too much for most everyone's liking. I think that's why Cassel does seem to get better later in the game. The WCO is designed for short routes early on to get the defense spread out, then use that advantage to go deeper, which means not as quick of reads by the QB.

Another big problem is a WCO QB needs to be deadly accurate, and Cassel isn't quite there.......

Almost every offensive philosophy is an offshoot of Sid Gillman's offense that he developed in the 50s with the Rams.

The west coast offense basically takes the short passing game aspects of that offense and uses it not only as the basis of teh passing game, but as an extension of teh running game.

Air Coryell uses the quick read and timing intermediate and deeper routes as it's base pass offense, with a sprinkling of the short game to balance.

The system that the Chiefs are using is basically a scaled down version of Gillman's entire system that uses all of the principles of Gillman's offense, but simplifies it.

I forget the name for that scaled down version.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Brock

The limiting factor on this team isn't defense or the running game. You could have all-pro players at every position and the team is still limited by the guy distributing the ball.

the limiting factor isn't relegated to one guy...each week is different..each game has it's own goat, or subpar play...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by milkman

I forget the name for that scaled down version.

Casshell.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is just nonsense.

Here's how argumentation works:

[Estron]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Nothing he can do will change people's minds.

I'm inclined to think this, after several weeks of reading here.

If Matt Cassel were to call a press conference tomorrow and announce that he was resigning from football, effective immediately AND donating what he's already been paid to widows and orphans, the guys on CP would be posting, "Not enough. He should commit suicide. In the stadium. On camera."