Ravens Will Reveal Pioli's Progress

[milkman]

The fact that this team won games against bad teams, games that they didn't win in previous years, is progress.

Nothing that happens against the Ravens will do anything to dismiss the fact that they have progressed.

What we'll learn against the Ravens, is what is needed to continue that progression.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by milkman

The fact that this team won games against bad teams, games that they didn't win in previous years, is progress.

Nothing that happens against the Ravens will do anything to dismiss the fact that they have progressed.

What we'll learn against the Ravens, is what is needed to continue that progression.

Yes.

I'm thinking what we are going to need is another wideout, another linebacker at both inside and outside, and some help on the offensive line, namely right tackle.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Yes.

I'm thinking what we are going to need is another wideout, another linebacker at both inside and outside, and some help on the offensive line, namely right tackle.

WR, OLB, NT, RT, C, ILB.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

WR, OLB, NT, RT, C, ILB.

Drafted in that order?

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Drafted in that order?

In terms of need:

OLB, NT, WR, RT, C, ILB

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

WR, OLB, NT, RT, C, ILB.

The mere fact that we don't see QB on these lists anymore is more *progress* than anything else that's happened this season.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The mere fact that we don't see QB on these lists anymore is more *progress* than anything else that's happened this season.

I actually think it absolutely needs to be on the list. Glad you brought it up.

The good news is that we don't have to worry about betting the farm for one. The biggest mistake this franchise made was not even trying to develop a QB during the peak of the Trent Green era.

I'd be open to a high pick for a QB. Let him develop. At worst, he's horrible and we move on. At functional, we get a solid backup and a guy who can take over when Cassel's done. At best, we could get an upgrade.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Yes.

I'm thinking what we are going to need is another wideout, another linebacker at both inside and outside, and some help on the offensive line, namely right tackle.

I think what becomes really interesting is, what positions can we settle for "good enough"? Often times, I think we all get stuck in the mindset that every player should be close to a pro bowl level. But almost every team has some key holes on their team that they play well in spite of.

Outside LB and Nose Tackle are uncompromisable.
I feel like wideout and Right Tackle and Center are positions we need solid starters, but we don't have to worry about "greatness" (though it would be an added bonus).
And I honestly think that if we fix the NT, we'll be fine at ILB (though again, an upgrade is an added bonus).

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Yes.

I'm thinking what we are going to need is another wideout, another linebacker at both inside and outside, and some help on the offensive line, namely right tackle.

I agree, for the most part, though I think NT is a bigger need than ILB.

These LBs could play with a lot more freedom with a NT that commands attention.

I think that Belcher has a lot of room for growth and improvement, especially in pass coverage, but should he continue to grow, he should be fine.

[TimeForWasp]

who knows. maybe the chiefs can prove that the AFC north are frauds.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by milkman

The fact that this team won games against bad teams, games that they didn't win in previous years, is progress.

Nothing that happens against the Ravens will do anything to dismiss the fact that they have progressed.

What we'll learn against the Ravens, is what is needed to continue that progression.

If by chance the Chiefs totally dominate the Ravens will your last statement still be true?

The Chiefs are better now than at any time in the past 4 years. Edwards first year was just a holdover from DV, years 2 and 3 showed his true talent to tear a team down to nothing. If you are going for rebuild that might be a good plan but you have to run it by the upper management if you are going that direction so they know that year 4 should be the turning point, or 5 or 6.

Haley might not be the greatest HC we've ever had, but he is a leader and it seems the team pretty much follow that leadership.

It would be great if the Chiefs have all of the stars lined up and can get to the SB. That's not expected by anyone, but any good things happening after going 10-6 is gravy. We expected nothing after the 0-4 Pre-Season and are in the Playoffs. Gotta love change.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

If by chance the Chiefs totally dominate the Ravens will your last statement still be true?

I think it's true in every game, regardless of win or loss.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

If by chance the Chiefs totally dominate the Ravens will your last statement still be true?

The Chiefs are better now than at any time in the past 4 years. Edwards first year was just a holdover from DV, years 2 and 3 showed his true talent to tear a team down to nothing. If you are going for rebuild that might be a good plan but you have to run it by the upper management if you are going that direction so they know that year 4 should be the turning point, or 5 or 6.

Haley might not be the greatest HC we've ever had, but he is a leader and it seems the team pretty much follow that leadership.

It would be great if the Chiefs have all of the stars lined up and can get to the SB. That's not expected by anyone, but any good things happening after going 10-6 is gravy. We expected nothing after the 0-4 Pre-Season and are in the Playoffs. Gotta love change.

Year 4, 5, or 6 would have been a turning point for the Chiefs if Carl Peterson didn't get in the way.

Herm Edwards wasn't a good coach, but he was 100% right about the rebuild and it's inaccurate to say he tore the team down to nothing as if that's a bad thing. The Chiefs wouldn't be where they are today if he didn't have the balls to do that.

Like Herm Edwards or not, you have to feel bad for a guy who did the right thing and got canned for doing it.

[Norman Einstein]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Year 4, 5, or 6 would have been a turning point for the Chiefs if Carl Peterson didn't get in the way.

Herm Edwards wasn't a good coach, but he was 100% right about the rebuild and it's inaccurate to say he tore the team down to nothing as if that's a bad thing. The Chiefs wouldn't be where they are today if he didn't have the balls to do that.

Like Herm Edwards or not, you have to feel bad for a guy who did the right thing and got canned for doing it.

It wasn't that he had the balls to do it, he was inept enough to do it. 4-12 and 2-14 isn't a plan, it's an outright failure. If his teardown was intentional he didn't talk with the front office about it or he wouldn't have been fired.

His intentions were not to take the team down, but as I said he is inept as a head coach, I doubt that he ever gets the chance to prove differently in the NFL again.

The Chiefs aren't where they are today because of Herman, they are there due to the ability of the new staff to get the most out of players. If the current administration had of been there instead of Peterson/Edwards TG would still be playing for the Chiefs and there is a likelihood that they would have already won a SB over the past 4 years. That's just my opinion but when you turn a team around in two years, there is more to it than left over draft picks.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

It wasn't that he had the balls to do it, he was inept enough to do it. 4-12 and 2-14 isn't a plan, it's an outright failure. If his teardown was intentional he didn't talk with the front office about it or he wouldn't have been fired.

His intentions were not to take the team down, but as I said he is inept as a head coach, I doubt that he ever gets the chance to prove differently in the NFL again.

The Chiefs aren't where they are today because of Herman, they are there due to the ability of the new staff to get the most out of players. If the current administration had of been there instead of Peterson/Edwards TG would still be playing for the Chiefs and there is a likelihood that they would have already won a SB over the past 4 years. That's just my opinion but when you turn a team around in two years, there is more to it than left over draft picks.

It was pretty well documented that Herman ****ing Edwards went over Carl's head to Clark Hunt and got him to buy into the idea of rebuilding the roster, and that Clark Hunt gave the final decision to fire or retain Herman ****ing Edwards to Pioli, but he did get him to agree to talk with him before that final decision, which is why Pioli didn't fire him immediately after he took the reins.