QB Class Starting to Look Like S&@*

[BigCatDaddy]

Anyone else disappointed with the way this QB class is starting to pan out after looking very promising?

Newton has gone Hollywood
Gabbert is scared to throw at the combine
Locker went to hell as a Senior
Mallett being the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf

Ponder is starting to look like the prize QB in this draft to me at this point.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I have to think Mallett acutally helped himself by throwing at the combine. IF Gabbert was able to go out there and light it up like Mallett did, and I don't think he can, then he would have probably moved himself up into consideration for the top pick in the draft. So if you got it there is good reason to flaunt it.

I don't know how many times this has to be said:

Gabbert is represented by Condon, you dumbass. Condon guys don't throw.

As far as your claim that he can't: he's clearly a purely intangibles guy, that's why he was the #1 QB recruit in the entire nation coming out of high school, that's why Harbaugh wanted him over Luck, and that's also why he lit up the Elite 11 camp so much that guys said they'd never seen a workout like that before.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

Cam Newton on NFL Network talking about frustration of throwing to new receivers and Gabbert is the stupid one for not throwing at the combine. @ you guys.

Ehh. He said that he didn't realize how crucial timing was. What I got out of that is he didn't REALLY play QB. He played playmaker who would throw the ball if the player was open or he had to. Any real QB KNOWS timing is huge.

[Hootie]

Just got done watching the Combine...

Don't know much about Gabbert, but can't stand "men" with that kind of hair...I hope nothing but the worst for him.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Ehh. He said that he didn't realize how crucial timing was. What I got out of that is he didn't REALLY play QB. He played playmaker who would throw the ball if the player was open or he had to. Any real QB KNOWS timing is huge.

Which can be said for any spread option QB.

This is what kills me about NFLN, ESPN, and all the other draft sites. There is a huge difference between a spread offense, like Missouri's, and a spread option offense like Florida or Auburn. Spread option QBs make one read and then run. It's much more of a run-based system that relies on a large, powerful QB to gain yardage in the running game. Basically, they spread you out to run against 5 or 6 in the box, and when they throw, it's almost always against single coverage.

So far, there have been three spread QBs who have succeeded or likely will succeed in the NFL: Brees, Roethlisberger, and Bradford (likely).

Zero spread option QBs have done it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Just got done watching the Combine...

Don't know much about Gabbert, but can't stand "men" with that kind of hair...I hope nothing but the worst for him.

I guess that's why you hate this guy so much.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Which can be said for any spread option QB.

This is what kills me about NFLN, ESPN, and all the other draft sites. There is a huge difference between a spread offense, like Missouri's, and a spread option offense like Florida or Auburn. Spread option QBs make one read and then run. It's much more of a run-based system that relies on a large, powerful QB to gain yardage in the running game. Basically, they spread you out to run against 5 or 6 in the box, and when they throw, it's almost always against single coverage.

So far, there have been three spread QBs who have succeeded or likely will succeed in the NFL: Brees, Roethlisberger, and Bradford (likely).

Zero spread option QBs have done it.

QFT. Good post.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by jd1020

If?

Gabbert, Newton, Mallet, and Locker can throw any and all of the passes.

Gabbert is already regarded as the #1 QB prospect of this draft. What does he need to prove to scouts?

From what I saw Mallet was in a league of his own when it comes to throwing the ball.

They were talking about this during the combine as well. Gabbert is still a project of sorts and not considered to be in the class of Stafford, Bradford, or Ryan coming out. He will be the first QB taken regardless, but he still could have improved his draft position and made some money. Instead of being taken #10 or possibly later depending on FA and trades in the off season, he could have moved up into the top 3 if he threw as well as Mallett did today. I understand his agent advised against it, but if you have the goods bring it and improve that postion.

Like I said this isn't Bradford, Stafford, or Ryan guaranteed to be a top 5 pick. It just turned out to be a weak draft and I wouldn't be suprised to see only 1 QB taken in the 1st unless you see some teams in need trade up into the back of the 1st, but some idiot took Tebow in the 1st last year so you never know.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Which can be said for any spread option QB.

This is what kills me about NFLN, ESPN, and all the other draft sites. There is a huge difference between a spread offense, like Missouri's, and a spread option offense like Florida or Auburn. Spread option QBs make one read and then run. It's much more of a run-based system that relies on a large, powerful QB to gain yardage in the running game. Basically, they spread you out to run against 5 or 6 in the box, and when they throw, it's almost always against single coverage.

So far, there have been three spread QBs who have succeeded or likely will succeed in the NFL: Brees, Roethlisberger, and Bradford (likely).

Zero spread option QBs have done it.

Glad to see you on the bandwagon this year.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by jd1020

If?

Gabbert, Newton, Mallet, and Locker can throw any and all of the passes.

Gabbert is already regarded as the #1 QB prospect of this draft. What does he need to prove to scouts?

Why doesn't anyone like Gabbert's deep ball then?

Newton didn't throw real well today. At all. He's really not a QB and if he can become one, it's going to take a lot of work. In his spread option, he threw off of his back foot ALL the time, almost always. Now that he's learned his drops, they need a LOT of work. B/c he isn't smooth on them, his throws were pretty erratic today. He CAN make all the throws, it's whether or not he can be consistent and accurate.

Mallett looked damned good today.

Locker looked okay. Not overly accurate. Especially on his 10yd. outs and post-corner routes. Threw them low and late consistently. Don't know if he didn't get through his drop quickly enough, or if he was throwing to the receiver and not a spot, didn't pay enough attention.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

From what I saw Mallet was in a league of his own when it comes to throwing the ball.

They were talking about this during the combine as well. Gabbert is still a project of sorts and not considered to be in the class of Stafford, Bradford, or Ryan coming out. He will be the first QB taken regardless, but he still could have improved his draft position and made some money. Instead of being taken #10 or possibly later depending on FA and trades in the off season, he could have moved up into the top 3 if he threw as well as Mallett did today. I understand his agent advised against it, but if you have the goods bring it and improve that postion.

Like I said this isn't Bradford, Stafford, or Ryan guaranteed to be a top 5 pick. It just turned out to be a weak draft and I wouldn't be suprised to see only 1 QB taken in the 1st unless you see some teams in need trade up into the back of the 1st.

I agree and disagree with a lot of this.

First off, I agree that Gabbert is nowhere near Bradford, Stafford or Ryan, and that he will be the #1 QB by default. I agree that he could have shown he wasn't afraid to throw.

I disagree with you calling this a weak draft, at least at the QB position. It's weak at the top. That and guys who are top QB talented have off the field question marks. I think this is a pretty good QB class, a lot of consistent, smart, talented guys out there. I grew a lot more comfortable with a lot of different guys today that I wouldn't have considered earlier. They just aren't wow guys.

If we got guys where I thought they were good value, I'd be happy with: Mallett, Kaepernick, Stanzi, Dalton, Enderle, Devlin, or Ponder. At good value of course. Meaning Mallett and his ?'s at our 2nd. Kaepernick and Stanzi I'd be fine with 2nd or 3rd, and the rest anywhere from 3rd or 4th on...

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by aturnis

I agree and disagree with a lot of this.

First off, I agree that Gabbert is nowhere near Bradford, Stafford or Ryan, and that he will be the #1 QB by default. I agree that he could have shown he wasn't afraid to throw.

I disagree with you calling this a weak draft, at least at the QB position. It's weak at the top. That and guys who are top QB talented have off the field question marks. I think this is a pretty good QB class, a lot of consistent, smart, talented guys out there. I grew a lot more comfortable with a lot of different guys today that I wouldn't have considered earlier. They just aren't wow guys.

If we got guys where I thought they were good value, I'd be happy with: Mallett, Kaepernick, Stanzi, Dalton, Enderle, Devlin, or Ponder. At good value of course. Meaning Mallett and his ?'s at our 2nd. Kaepernick and Stanzi I'd be fine with 2nd or 3rd, and the rest anywhere from 3rd or 4th on...

Yeah, that's what I meant weak at the top. I think it was Mayock saying Locker was probably a 3rd round pick. I did like what I saw from Kaepernick at the combine as well. I wouldn't be suprised to see him taken ahead of Newton at this point.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Yeah, that's what I meant weak at the top. I think it was Mayock saying Locker was probably a 3rd round pick.

Yeah, if I remember right, Lockers ten yd. outs were low and didn't lead enough. I think his post-corners were short, and I know 2 of 3 verticals were inside and not where you want to put the ball. His last one was pretty though.

[Hootie]

Rodgers wised up like an adult...

I want nothing to do with Gabbert. He is going to suck. Ponder is where it is at.

I want Ponder or nothing.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Just got done watching the Combine...

Don't know much about Gabbert, but can't stand "men" with that kind of hair...I hope nothing but the worst for him.

I believe he's planning to donate to Locks of Love once it's long enough. At least based on things he has said on twitter.

As for the hype factor and what he could have built for himself at the combine... Gabbert will throw at pro day on the 17th and show everything he needs to show as far as throwing. If I were him, I'd take my chances throwing at pro day (to receivers he has thrown to before) and letting the Condons build the hype. It's worked pretty well before...

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Rodgers wised up like an adult...

I want nothing to do with Gabbert. He is going to suck. Ponder is where it is at.

I want Ponder or nothing.

This locks it. Gabbert's where it's at.