Sac's Final 2011 NFL Draft Wish List

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

1st - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
2nd - Sam Acho, DE/OLB, Texas
3rd - Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole. Miss
4th - Edmund Gates, WR, Abilene Christian
5th - Austin Pettis, WR, Boise State
5th - Brandon Fusco, C, Slippery Rock
6th - T.J. Yates, QB, North Carolina
7th - Robert Hughes, RB, Notre Dame

I'm not sold on Carimi as anything other than a RT at the next level. The guy is a major force in the run, but the games I've seen, he can be beaten around the edge by the better speed rushers. (Watch the Iowa/Wisconsin games - he absolutely abuses Clayborn on the running plays but there are a number of times where Clayborn simply blows by him on pass plays and gets into the backfield.) And while he's athletic for a guy his size, he's not the same type of athlete as Costanzo or Sherrod. At least to me, Sherrod presents the best of all possibilities in terms of plugging a guy into either spot and getting substantially better production than what we have in both the run and pass.

There is no way Pettis last until the fifth round. Hell, if he's there in the fourth, I'd rather have him over the guy I picked in Vincent Brown. (Other than AJ Green, I think Pettis is the best receiver in this draft.) I can't see him lasting beyond the third round, but given the choice between Jerrell Powe and Pettis, I had to go with Powe as you can find quality possession receivers in the draft in any round if you know what you are looking for.

Not a chance that I take a guy from Slippery Rock over Zane Taylor, who's called the line for two BCS bowl games, is a four year first team conference all-academic and a two time all-conference player including a first team all conference selection last year. I think Fusco is more a product of very good coaching than anything else, considering that five Slippery Rock centers have earned first team DII All-American honors since 1997. That's more than just a coincidence at that point.

If Taylor isn't available, I'd take Jake Kirkpatrick or Colin Baxter. Kirkpatrick should be very effective in a zone scheme like Haley runs. However, neither have Taylor's strength (41 reps at 225 at the Utah pro day) and leverage, which will help him be more productive from the get go.

Yates' college career could be defined as "lackluster." Going into his senior season, he was not even guaranteed the starting position even though he was the three year starter. His senior season was good, but nothing insane. More a product of being a four year starter than anything else. Doesn't have very good arm strength and was really supported by an All-Star level defense.

I think if the Chiefs are picking up a QB in the later rounds, they need to look for a guy who is solid starting material that has some potential beyond that. Stanzi, Tolzien of Wisconsin and McElroy of Alabama would be the guys that should be available around there that would fit that profile. Solid QB's that didn't put up huge numbers because of a reliance on a run based offense that do have solid prep pedigrees and did what was asked of them within the confines of their college programs. If they want to go with an athlete and try to groom them into a NFL level guy, Adam Weber of Minnesota or Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech wouldn't be a bad way to go. (Taylor might be the next Brad Smith, but Weber, with some good coaching, has a chance to be a real QB at the next level. He's shown he can light guys up through the air and has really good athleticism to boot.) Josh Portis might have been the next Cam Newton if he had one more year of eligibility, but he might be worth a look as well.

However, I think that Stanzi and Tolzien are the best of the "true" QB's that will be available at that point in the draft. Both had successful careers and a lot of wins in a solid conference and worked out of pro style sets. I guess it just depends on where you think they go with Cassel, what you think of Croyle as the #2 and if one of these guys has the chance to be that proverbial diamond in the rough like Hasselbeck or Brady.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I think if the Chiefs are picking up a QB in the later rounds, they need to look for a guy who is solid starting material that has some potential beyond that. Stanzi, Tolzien of Wisconsin and McElroy of Alabama would be the guys that should be available around there that would fit that profile. Solid QB's that didn't put up huge numbers because of a reliance on a run based offense that do have solid prep pedigrees and did what was asked of them within the confines of their college programs. If they want to go with an athlete and try to groom them into a NFL level guy, Adam Weber of Minnesota or Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech wouldn't be a bad way to go. (Taylor might be the next Brad Smith, but Weber, with some good coaching, has a chance to be a real QB at the next level. He's shown he can light guys up through the air and has really good athleticism to boot.) Josh Portis might have been the next Cam Newton if he had one more year of eligibility, but he might be worth a look as well.

Having seen a lot of McElroy and Josh Portis, I can safely predict that McElroy is not NFL staring material and Portis won't be an NFL QB at all.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I think if the Chiefs are picking up a QB in the later rounds, they need to look for a guy who is solid starting material that has some potential beyond that. Stanzi, Tolzien of Wisconsin and McElroy of Alabama would be the guys that should be available around there that would fit that profile. Solid QB's that didn't put up huge numbers because of a reliance on a run based offense that do have solid prep pedigrees and did what was asked of them within the confines of their college programs. If they want to go with an athlete and try to groom them into a NFL level guy, Adam Weber of Minnesota or Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech wouldn't be a bad way to go. (Taylor might be the next Brad Smith, but Weber, with some good coaching, has a chance to be a real QB at the next level. He's shown he can light guys up through the air and has really good athleticism to boot.) Josh Portis might have been the next Cam Newton if he had one more year of eligibility, but he might be worth a look as well.

McElroy is trash and just because Portis is black and transferred from Florida doesn't mean he'd have been Cam Newton. He sucks and is a thug. Awful analysis.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

McElroy is trash and just because Portis is black and transferred from Florida doesn't mean he'd have been Cam Newton. He sucks and is a thug. Awful analysis.

Like Newton, Portis was a highly sought after prep quarterback that originally started at Florida, struggled with some cheating issues at school (Maryland), then transferred to a small college where he put up ridiculous numbers. His college situation damn near mirrors Cam other than getting back into D1 (which is why I said if he had another year of eligibility he might have done what Newton did in having success at the D1 level). I don't see how that's an "awful analysis."

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Like Newton, Portis was a highly sought after prep quarterback that originally started at Florida, struggled with some cheating issues at school (Maryland), then transferred to a small college where he put up ridiculous numbers. His college situation damn near mirrors Cam other than getting back into D1 (which is why I said if he had another year of eligibility he might have done what Newton did in having success at the D1 level). I don't see how that's an "awful analysis."

How many California (PA) games from last season have you watched? I've watched six. Portis is not an NFL QB.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Like Newton, Portis was a highly sought after prep quarterback that originally started at Florida, struggled with some cheating issues at school (Maryland), then transferred to a small college where he put up ridiculous numbers. His college situation damn near mirrors Cam other than getting back into D1 (which is why I said if he had another year of eligibility he might have done what Newton did in having success at the D1 level). I don't see how that's an "awful analysis."

How wrong you are. Very wrong. The similarities end at both transferring from Florida,

Size - Cam is a much bigger physical presence at 6'5" 248lbs compared to Portis 6'3" 210lb frame.

Cam has a stronger arm, is more accurate, had a higher QB efficiency rating against far superior competition, and won championships at both the D-I and D-II levels.

To assert that Portis might have been the next Cam if he had another year of eligibility is a joke. Portis doesn't possess the talent Cam has and Cam did it all as a junior, not as a 6th year senior that Portis would be with another year.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

How wrong you are. Very wrong.

That is pretty much spot on with all of Sac's draft anaylsis.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

That is pretty much spot on with all of Sac's draft anaylsis.

He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by PGM

He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry

Okung is a once in a generation LT, which is more important than a run of the mill SS.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by PGM

He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry

Yeah, wanting a competent left tackle over a safety is a real stretch.

How many safeties have gone top five versus left tackles? Shit, how about just the first round? All of those "real" NFL GM's must have some real bad "takes" too, eh? ("Takes." Learned all you know of sports from the Jim Rome program? It all makes sense now.)

But yet, I respect you, because you've always put your views out there for critique. Laid it on the line, so to speak.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

How wrong you are. Very wrong. The similarities end at both transferring from Florida,

Size - Cam is a much bigger physical presence at 6'5" 248lbs compared to Portis 6'3" 210lb frame.

Cam has a stronger arm, is more accurate, had a higher QB efficiency rating against far superior competition, and won championships at both the D-I and D-II levels.

To assert that Portis might have been the next Cam if he had another year of eligibility is a joke. Portis doesn't possess the talent Cam has and Cam did it all as a junior, not as a 6th year senior that Portis would be with another year.

You are right about everything but Cam winning a championship at the NCAA D-II level. Cam played at the NJCAA level. Those are very, very, very different things.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

You are right about everything but Cam winning a championship at the NCAA D-II level. Cam played at the NJCAA level. Those are very, very, very different things.

You are correct.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

How wrong you are. Very wrong. The similarities end at both transferring from Florida,

Size - Cam is a much bigger physical presence at 6'5" 248lbs compared to Portis 6'3" 210lb frame.

Cam has a stronger arm, is more accurate, had a higher QB efficiency rating against far superior competition, and won championships at both the D-I and D-II levels.

To assert that Portis might have been the next Cam if he had another year of eligibility is a joke. Portis doesn't possess the talent Cam has and Cam did it all as a junior, not as a 6th year senior that Portis would be with another year.

Holy shit.

Get your panties in a knot over minutia in a comparison between two ****ing guys who started their careers at Florida as highly touted prep quarterbacks, who left the program amidst scholastic controversy and who went on to amass huge numbers against shitty DII/Juco competition!!!! What a stretch of a comparison!!!

Oh noes! One guy is 6'5", the other guy is 6'2"!!!!! One guy is a little more accurate than the other!!!! One guy had a higher completion rather versus the other!!!! They are nothing alike!!!!

****ing idiot.

I'm sorry if you got your tampon string wound in the wrong direction Mr. Cecil Newton. I never meant to say that Portis was exactly like your son. I simply inferred that if Portis had another year of eligibility that he might have made an impact at the D1 level. God forbid that I besmirched you son's name and lowered him to Portis' level.

You must come completely unglued when someone mentions that a porpoise and a dolphin are somewhat alike. Or if someone says magenta is a more of a shade of red then a shade of purple.

How does life live on a completely literal level?

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Holy shit.

Get your panties in a knot over minutia in a comparison between two ****ing guys who started their careers at Florida as highly touted prep quarterbacks, who left the program amidst scholastic controversy and who went on to amass huge numbers against shitty DII/Juco competition!!!! What a stretch of a comparison!!!

Oh noes! One guy is 6'5", the other guy is 6'2"!!!!! One guy is a little more accurate than the other!!!! One guy had a higher completion rather versus the other!!!! They are nothing alike!!!!

****ing idiot.

I'm sorry if you got your tampon string wound in the wrong direction Mr. Cecil Newton. I never meant to say that Portis was exactly like your son. I simply inferred that if Portis had another year of eligibility that he might have made an impact at the D1 level. God forbid that I besmirched you son's name and lowered him to Portis' level.

You must come completely unglued when someone mentions that a porpoise and a dolphin are somewhat alike. Or if someone says magenta is a more of a shade of red then a shade of purple.

How does life live on a completely literal level?

One is potentially the #1 overall pick while the other likely will go undrafted, so they're pretty similar I guess.