Sac's Final 2011 NFL Draft Wish List

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by PGM

He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry

Yeah, wanting a competent left tackle over a safety is a real stretch.

How many safeties have gone top five versus left tackles? Shit, how about just the first round? All of those "real" NFL GM's must have some real bad "takes" too, eh? ("Takes." Learned all you know of sports from the Jim Rome program? It all makes sense now.)

But yet, I respect you, because you've always put your views out there for critique. Laid it on the line, so to speak.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah, wanting a competent left tackle over a safety is a real stretch.

How many safeties have gone top five versus left tackles? Shit, how about just the first round? All of those "real" NFL GM's must have some real bad "takes" too, eh? ("Takes." Learned all you know of sports from the Jim Rome program? It all makes sense now.)

But yet, I respect you, because you've always put your views out there for critique. Laid it on the line, so to speak.

Yeah, taking a perennial All-Pro candidate at Safety was a reeeeealllll dumb decision. If only they had selected that league average LT from OSU.

My takes are out there, but I'm not much of a "draturbater". I don't make my own homemade bigboards and act like a toddler when they don't take my "guys".

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by PGM

Yeah, taking a perennial All-Pro candidate at Safety was a reeeeealllll dumb decision. If only they had selected that league average LT from OSU.

Did anyone say it was dumb? Don't be such a moron. (Sorry, you are probably a moron resulting from genetical deficiencies and you can't do anything about it other than just be a moron and it's mean to make fun of someone who is like that and can't do anything about it. If your mom drank a shit ton while she is pregnant, the results can hardly be considered your fault. You may just want to limit your participation in discussions and the like so your genetic predisposition towards stupidity doesn't show itself too much.)

The Berry pick was a good pick considering the Chiefs lack of depth and production from the position in 2009. However, safeties are usually considered support players and deemed to be not as high on the positional value scale as left tackles.

However, while Berry quickly established himself as a very good run defender, his pass defense is not good and he was responsible for giving up a number of touchdowns last season.

My takes are out there, but I'm not much of a "draturbater". I don't make my own homemade bigboards and act like a toddler when they don't take my "guys".

Put up or shut up. If you are going to criticize someone about their picks, then you should have the balls to make yours known. Otherwise, you come off as a disingenuous one who sucks the penis. And maybe that's just what you are.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

The Berry pick was a good pick considering the Chiefs lack of depth and production from the position in 2009. However, safeties are usually considered support players and deemed to be not as high on the positional value scale as left tackles.

However, while Berry quickly established himself as a very good run defender, his pass defense is not good and he was responsible for giving up a number of touchdowns last season.

In case you haven't noticed (Wait, what do I mean "In case"?), the NFL has gone through some dramatic changes in the last few years.

The old values no longer apply to the safety position, with offenses evolving and the rules changes that give the passing game a huge advantage over defense.

Also, the other thing you clearly failed to notice is that Berry's coverage improved by leaps and bounds from game 1 to game 16.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by milkman

In case you haven't noticed (Wait, what do I mean "In case"?), the NFL has gone through some dramatic changes in the last few years.

The old values no longer apply to the safety position, with offenses evolving and the rules changes that give the passing game a huge advantage over defense.

Also, the other thing you clearly failed to notice is that Berry's coverage improved by leaps and bounds from game 1 to game 16.

Pretty much this. But Sac doesn't understand this concept.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

In case you haven't noticed (Wait, what do I mean "In case"?), the NFL has gone through some dramatic changes in the last few years.

The old values no longer apply to the safety position, with offenses evolving and the rules changes that give the passing game a huge advantage over defense.

I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.

Also, the other thing you clearly failed to notice is that Berry's coverage improved by leaps and bounds from game 1 to game 16.

It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.



It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.

Did you just say you'd rather have Bulaga over Berry? Really? Nah....Ima just pretend you didn't say that.

You didn't say that. LALALALALA

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.



It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.

We've had this discussion a hundred times.

Okung is not now, nor has he ever been, as good as you think he is.

Berry is going to be a top 3-top 5 safety, and will have a bigger impact on the defense than Okung on offense.

And Buluaga?

Holy shit.

You're a bigger idiot than I already imagined.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

We've had this discussion a hundred times.

Okung is not now, nor has he ever been, as good as you think he is.

Berry is going to be a top 3-top 5 safety, and will have a bigger impact on the defense than Okung on offense.

And Buluaga?

Holy shit.

You're a bigger idiot than I already imagined.

I'm seriously questioning your ability to imagine anything. I don't think you have a creative, figurative bone in your body.

And, like I said, I would rather have Allen or Ward in the second along with Okung or Bulaga than Berry and McCluster (to go along with the stellar Chiefs OT duo of Albert and Richardson).

TJ Ward:
123 Tackles
2 Ints
10 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

Nate Allen:
48 tackles
2 Sacks
3 Ints
8 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fumbles

Eric Berry:
92 Tackles
2 Sacks
4 Ints
9 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

And you can add Earl Thomas to that list of rookie safeties that had very good years:

Earl Thomas
76 Tackles
5 Ints
7 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

,,,and next year, Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones, who had injuries their rookie years and didn't play, but should be contributors next season. And then you can add Taylor Mays as well.

Berry is going to have to work his ass off to be considered a top three safety in just his draft class, let alone a top three NFL safety.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have a competent offensive tackle along with a safety that mirrored Berry's production than Berry and McCluster (which means that Richardson and Albert are still our kick ass OT's).

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.



It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.

Did you say pro bowl?
And t.g.?

Gonzo pushed off.
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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Did anyone say it was dumb? Don't be such a moron. (Sorry, you are probably a moron resulting from genetical deficiencies and you can't do anything about it other than just be a moron and it's mean to make fun of someone who is like that and can't do anything about it. If your mom drank a shit ton while she is pregnant, the results can hardly be considered your fault. You may just want to limit your participation in discussions and the like so your genetic predisposition towards stupidity doesn't show itself too much.)

The Berry pick was a good pick considering the Chiefs lack of depth and production from the position in 2009. However, safeties are usually considered support players and deemed to be not as high on the positional value scale as left tackles.

However, while Berry quickly established himself as a very good run defender, his pass defense is not good and he was responsible for giving up a number of touchdowns last season.



Put up or shut up. If you are going to criticize someone about their picks, then you should have the balls to make yours known. Otherwise, you come off as a disingenuous one who sucks the penis. And maybe that's just what you are.

I've supported Hali when many called him a 3rd end. Liked the McCluster, Moeaki, and Lewis picks when many didn't. Was against the T-Jack and Cassel moves like pretty much everyone else. I state my opinion, I'm just not a "bater". I'm not going to make a list of a bunch of dudes I've never watched more than a handfull of games on and pretend I'm an expert because I watch youtube highlight reels.

When someone says stupid crap like Bulaga and Opoooung over Berry and 15 TE's better than Moeaki, I'll be there to call them out on it.