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Old 07-23-2011, 11:07 AM  
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ESPN's Bill Williamson Ranks AFCW's Top 40 Players
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1. Philip Rivers, San Diego: He is an elite player at the most important position on the field.

2. Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland: There’s a reason he’ll be the top prize in free agency.

3. Jamaal Charles, Kansas City: One of the NFL’s most dynamic young players.

4. Antonio Gates, San Diego: He should end up in Canton.

5. Tamba Hali, Kansas City: One of the NFL’s best defensive players.

6. Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City: He is a game-changing talent.

7. Richard Seymour, Oakland: Respected veteran changed Oakland’s defense.

8. Vincent Jackson, San Diego: Expect a strong rebound in 2011.

9. Ryan Clady, Denver: One of the game's premier left tackles.

10. Champ Bailey, Denver: Even at 33, he is special.

11. Eric Berry, Kansas City: He should be the game’s best safety soon.

12. Nick Hardwick, San Diego: An anchor to a strong offensive line.

13. Darren McFadden, Oakland: He is developing into a star.

=> 14. Matt Cassel, Kansas City: Cassel has to continue to make strides.

15. Zach Miller, Oakland: He can make Oakland’s offense special.

16. Derrick Johnson, Kansas City: He is a serious playmaker.

17. Quentin Jammer, San Diego: Solid veteran is an anchor to a good defense.

18. Kris Dielman, San Diego: A steady hand on the Chargers’ line.

19. D.J. Williams, Denver: He is a tackling machine.

20. Marcus McNeill, San Diego: He’s an upper-echelon left tackle.

21. Shaun Phillips, San Diego: He is one of the division’s best pass-rushers.

22. Brandon Flowers, Kansas City: One of the game’s best young cornerbacks.

23. Eric Weddle, San Diego: A hard-nosed playmaker at safety.

24. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City: He came on strong in 2010.

25. Tommy Kelly, Oakland: Massive defensive tackle had a big season in 2010.

26. Elvis Dumervil, Denver: If Dumervil bounces back from sitting out in 2010, he should be ranked higher next year.

27. Rolando McClain, Oakland: McClain has a chance to be one of the division’s better linebackers.

28. Brandon Lloyd, Denver: Lloyd came out of nowhere for a special 2010.

29. Shane Lechler, Oakland: The game’s best kicking specialist.

30. Ryan Lilja, Kansas City: A gritty, tough veteran guard.

31. Malcom Floyd, San Diego: He can make the spectacular catch look easy.

32. Brian Waters, Kansas City: A great veteran presence on a good line.

33. Jason Campbell, Oakland: Oakland will be depending on Campbell a lot this season.

34. Kamerion Wimbley, Oakland: He can get sacks in bunches.

35. Tony Moeaki, Kansas City: Second-year tight end is a player to watch.

36. Lamarr Houston, Oakland: He has a chance to be special.

37. Antonio Garay, San Diego: He had a strong 2010 season at 31.

38. Ryan Mathews, San Diego: He showed flashes as a rookie.

39. Michael Bush, Oakland: He and McFadden form a nice tandem.

40. Thomas Jones, Kansas City: He can still help the Chiefs at 33.
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:27 PM   #46
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Nobody wants Rivers. Didn’t you hear, he’s a whiney bitch.
The next in a long tradition of super bowl losers.

Like Marino, Payed-a-ton (thank God his defense showed up in the 59th minute,) Elway (how many did he lose before he won one?)

Rivers is a bitch. He'll always be a temperamental bitch.

But he's a super-talented bitch with a helluva' arm...
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:36 PM   #47
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Marino and Jim Kelly weren't bitches.
Favre's a bitch.
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:42 PM   #48
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Hali has touched that to some extent, but he is still learning and improving after his transition to OLB in this defense, and DJ finally started to show.

Carr has made strides in his two seasons, and Berry's upside is through the roof.
It's a shame that Hali didn't have better coaching at the start his career.
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:52 PM   #49
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Marino and Jim Kelly weren't bitches.
Favre's a bitch.
Kelly was never a bitch.

Marino was the classic example of a bitch. Retired a loser bitch.

Deserved it.

**** Marino.

Farve was a pampered fan-favorite but he earned his way. **** a drug problem, most QB's had one to stay standing up before him.

His streak won't be broken.

EVAR...
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:56 PM   #50
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Kelly was never a bitch.

Marino was the classic example of a bitch. Retired a loser bitch.

Deserved it.

**** Marino.

Farve was a pampered fan-favorite but he earned his way. **** a drug problem, most QB's had one to stay standing up before him.

His streak won't be broken.

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If Manning isn't the most overrated QB in the NFL ever, then Farve is.
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:58 PM   #51
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imo Kelly was a scrappy guy like Steve Deberg
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:58 PM   #52
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If Manning isn't the most overrated QB in the NFL ever, then Farve is.
You win.

Manning definitely is.

Right behind Marino - the original Manning...
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:59 PM   #53
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imo Kelly was a scrappy guy like Steve Deberg
I love Deberg, he's one of my all time favorites, but he's nowhere near Kelly's level...
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:04 PM   #54
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I love Deberg, he's one of my all time favorites, but he's nowhere near Kelly's level...
oh yea, i was just talking about their scrappy attitude not their talent levels.

Then again, Kelly has a ton more to work with ... better system and talent.
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:14 PM   #55
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Man we could have had a hell of QB if you could put DeBerg's heart and heat in Grbac's body.
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:17 PM   #56
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Not that bad of a list, Flowers should be higher IMO. Orton should be on there was well, he's much better Campbell.

Manning is very overrated IMO. He benefits greatly from 9 guaranteed indoor games a year, sometimes 10-12. He rarely has to play in real football weather and his stats are extremely poor when doing so.

Aikman was overrated in the sense that he was throwing behind maybe the greatest o line ever and had lots of other talent around him. But, on the other hand, we'll never know how good he would have been under pressure because he never had any, so it's hard to hold that against him.

I wasn't around to watch him play, but I've seen some sick clips of Fran Tarkenton from the 70's, and he looked like an absolute monster. From what I've seen and heard that guy could do everything, and did do everything but get a ring.
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Aikman was overrated in the sense that he was throwing behind maybe the greatest o line ever and had lots of other talent around him. But, on the other hand, we'll never know how good he would have been under pressure because he never had any, so it's hard to hold that against him.
I disagree. Aikman for the most part was very underrated.
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The next in a long tradition of super bowl losers.

Like Marino, Payed-a-ton (thank God his defense showed up in the 59th minute,) Elway (how many did he lose before he won one?)

Rivers is a bitch. He'll always be a temperamental bitch.

But he's a super-talented bitch with a helluva' arm...
seriously?
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Man we could have had a hell of QB if you could put DeBerg's heart and heat in Grbac's body.
Heat?

We all bitch about Cassel, but he does have heart.
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