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Old 09-05-2011, 03:28 PM  
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Broncos are starting Orton because they don't want to pay Tebow
This is hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. It will be even funnier if they dump Tebow to draft a "cheaper" franchise QB.

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Contracts Dictated which QB Started

Lost in all of our fan hoopla about the idea of these QBs competing to start was the inevitable fact that Tebow was not going to start. No chance, was never going to happen. And here's the factual contract data as to why:

Written into Tebow's contract is this qualifier "Tebow's contract DOUBLES from 11.25 million to 22.50 million if he plays 55% of the time in TWO of his first three seasons".

Meanwhile, Orton's contract this season? 9 Million, 6 million guaranteed. So, since no team would trade for Orton at franchise player money, and since Orton refused to renegotiate his contract, the only remaining option was to cut him and pay the 6 million. We weren't going to bench him and pay 9 million.

So, this was the dilemma, pay Orton millions and millions to not play AND double Tebow's contract, or keep Tebow on the bench and not hitting escalators while getting something for the 6 million you owe Orton no matter what.

And you have to wonder about Tebow's future here due to his contract. A contract signed before the rookie wage scale. If Tebow plays 70% of the snaps in 2013, his contract doubles to 22.5 million and if the team makes multiple playoffs under Tebow and he achieves leaguewide awards his contract triples to 33 million.

Meanwhile, the #1 overall selection this year, Cam Newton's contract? 4 Years, 22 million. Andrew Luck is looking at the same deal. And there are 3-4 other QBs likely to go in the Top 20 in the next draft for much cheaper deals in the strongest QB draft in quite some time.

And what about Brady Quinn you might ask? Well, if he plays 70% of our snaps, his contract goes from 700,000 to 6.6 million due to a 5.9 million escalator bonus.

Do you think this was a fair QB competition? Hell no. Orton was never not going to start. Not with Bowlen in a financial crises and unable to even make waiver claims because of financial concerns. Let alone not even being competitive on the open free agent market. We weren't going to pay Orton millions not to play.

We have this big Quinn versus Tebow versus Orton debate, and there probably was a true battle for the #2 spot (which we laughingly refused to name), but there was never a competition for the #1 spot. Finances dictated that. Period.

So if you wonder why Tebow or Quinn didn't play with the starters, or Orton with the 2nd team, this is why. The team knew what direction it was going months and months ago despite telling us it was a competition. Lying has been standard for the front office this offseason despite declarations of openness. Sure they tried to trade Orton's albatross of a contract, but no team was taking that unless Kyle re-negotiated and he made it clear he would not absent a pricy long term deal. Nobody in the NFL wants to give him that. And as for all the chatter about "Tebow being terrible", almost guaranteed it was planted by the front office to try and justify to fans why he wasn't given a chance to start.

Too bad for them the contract information was made public. A little research sure sheds some light on an awful lot of questions and confusing bait and switch comments by EFX.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:14 PM   #16
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Tebow was pretty decent last year and this preseason.

No reason to keep him on the bench and halt his development.

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Old 09-05-2011, 05:16 PM   #17
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:43 PM   #19
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So, this was the dilemma, pay Orton millions and millions to not play AND double Tebow's contract, or keep Tebow on the bench and not hitting escalators while getting something for the 6 million you owe Orton no matter what.
Trade a 2nd and a 3rd and a 4th to use a 1st on a guy that you bench so his salary doesn't escalate. Sounds almost as stoopid as taking Jamarcus at #1....
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Trade a 2nd and a 3rd and a 4th to use a 1st on a guy that you bench so his salary doesn't escalate. Sounds almost as stoopid as taking Jamarcus at #1....
It's in the same ballpark right now.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:52 PM   #21
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...or maybe Tebow looked like crap in the preseason. Occam's Razor leads me to believe that's most likely the case.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:53 PM   #22
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If I understand the cap correctly, the Brocos are charged at the higher number anyway
Yes, but losing an additional $11m of cap space is not the same thing as losing an additional $11m of cash.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:54 PM   #23
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"Well ya... we all know this was the truth that were paying attention. Tebow sure did well statistically in the preseason for being so awful.

Funny or the worst part is fans bought into the media created Tebow is terrible talk... It's pretty sad what people will believe without seeing things for or with their own eyes.

I do a little thing called the eye test. I see what my eyeball tell me.. My eyeballs tell me Tebow isn't near as far off or as bad as some of you want to pretend... He will make a great qb next year. for who I am not sure.. I hope it's the broncos. I think the broncos go 10-6 worst case 8-8 this year... the media says they are 4-12 to 5-11, I just don't see it... Anyway more people should try the eyeball test then believing what people write that they don't know and don't know their motive..."

Donk fan has to be the dumbest fan base in the NFL...outside of Raider Nation.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:59 PM   #24
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Well if Tebow was better than Orton, I believe Tebow would start.

But he's not....not even close from what I've heard.
No one really can say, because there was never a fair competition:

Facts:

1. Tebow showed great potential at the end of last season.

2. Orton looked like shit.

3. The Broncos barely let Tebow play any meaningful snaps this preseason, including none with the starters.

4. Tebow played pretty well in those snaps.

The excuse for Orton "winning" the starting job is that he outperformed Tebow in training camp.

I've literally never heard of a legit "open competition" with one of the participants getting garbage for preseason snaps.

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Old 09-05-2011, 06:01 PM   #25
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No one really can say, because there was never a fair competition:

Facts:

1. Tebow showed great potential at the end of last season.

2. Orton looked like shit.

3. The Broncos barely let Tebow play any meaningful snaps this preseason, including none with the starters.

4. Tebow played pretty well in those snaps.

The excuse for Orton "winning" the starting job is that he outperformed Tebow in training camp.

I've literally never heard of a legit "open competition" with one of the participants getting garbage for preseason snaps.

This is all about DOLLADOLLABILLSYALL
This. Also, the only time that Tebow got any snaps in training camp with the 1s was when Orton missed practice for the birth of his daughter. There never was any competition.
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Orton started out the year on fire, but they weren't winning because of their defense. Hence Tebow comes in as QBotF. I think when people are saying he did horrible, they are saying that his mechanics are still poor even in his second year in the league.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:40 PM   #29
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If I understand the cap correctly, the Brocos are charged at the higher number anyway
Don't think you understand it correctly. Bonuses are charged against the cap under their likelihood to be earned. That bonus is not likely to be earned and is only charged at a small percentage. If it's not earned at all it is credited back to the team the following season.
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No biggie, Players are sat all the time because of incentives in contracts at the end of the season. Plus, Orton is just plain and simply the better player.

If they really didn't want to PAY him they wouldn't have just paid him the roster bonus he just got and cut him instead.
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