Am I the only one here that still wants the Chiefs to win some games this season?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I know I'm just The Royals fan so what do I know... that's fine. I also know the loss of Moeaki and Berry is really damaging so hopes are down. We stunk in week 1 so if we can't beat or even be competitive with the Bills at home what hope do we have...?

I know a lot of people want Andrew Luck... I'd like to see a QB like that in KC too. But I'm not ready to tank the season after one week in hopes that we get the top pick.... THEN actually take him.

This team won the division last year. We added some talent... maybe not enough depth. But the team is young and SHOULD get better. If we can't compete because of the loss of one guy on each side of the ball then I'd guess we weren't nearly as good as we thought last year. Yes... easy schedule... so what. You can only win the games you play. Yes this year the schedule is hard... so what. Rising teams should get better.

Cassel isn't great... Haley went full reerun in pre-season... I get it.

I'm just wondering if most of you guys/gals have really given up already or if the talk here since Sunday is more of a coping mechanism.

Feel free to say stfu baseball fan... just honestly on my mind.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by beer me

Do you believe in tanking to try for the top pick?

Yes. It worked for the San Antonio Spurs. They tanked the 96-97 season to get Tim Duncan. Since then they've enjoyed a 13 year run of awesomeness and 4 championships.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Frosty

The one time in recent history that they picked in the top 10, they picked a franchise QB. Seemed to work out okay for them.

They picked Roethlisberger at 11.

I will not root for the Chiefs to lose, but the impact of Berry's loss is going to be profound.

Berry struggled early in pass coverage as a rookie, but he improved tremendously as the season progressed, and that's going to be a huge loss for us in pass defense.

But his impact as a run defender, and the loss of that impact in this defense can not be overstated.

He was the primary reason that this run defense wasn't among the wost in the league last year.

Romeo Crennel is going to have to work a miricle to keep this defense from falling into the 25th or lower defense in the NFL this year.

With Detroit, Green Bay, Pittsburg and the Jets on the schedule this year, I expect Cassel will have worse games than this one against Buffalo.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by milkman

They picked Roethlisberger at 11.

I will not root for the Chiefs to lose, but the impact of Berry's loss is going to be profound.

Berry struggled early in pass coverage as a rookie, but he improved tremendously as the season progressed, and that's going to be a huge loss for us in pass defense.

But his impact as a run defender, and the loss of that impact in this defense can not be overstated.

He was the primary reason that this run defense wasn't among the wost in the league last year.

Romeo Crennel is going to have to work a miricle to keep this defense from falling into the 25th or lower defense in the NFL this year.

With Detroit, Green Bay, Pittsburg and the Jets on the schedule this year, I expect Cassel will have worse games than this one against Buffalo.

I agree with all of that. I don't know if Barry was the 'best' player on defense yet, but I think the dropoff between him and anyone else at his position on the roster was far and away the largest, and I think the importance of his role in and his presence with the defense can't be overstated.

As far as winning, I don't want to see them lose. Ever. I hate losing so much I'll get to the point where I stop watching games altogether. So, no, I don't want them to sacrifice a season for any reason. And as far as Luck or anybody else goes, I wouldn't get my hopes up anyway. I don't have any faith that the franchise would ever draft a quarterback early under any circumstances, so you'd be left with a situation where you're going 2-14 for a shot at what would probably end up being a defensive or offensive lineman.

Yay.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I don't ever want to see my team lose. We WILL get a franchise QB. Whether it's sooner or later, I don't know. That doesn't mean that Cassel will still be around before then. I have faith that the front office realizes that Cassel is not the answer. Now we may see a stop gap veteran in there before we get a franchise QB, but at least it's not Cassel. We don't have to worry about the Chiefs realizing Cassel is not the answer, Cassel is doing a good job of proving that on his own.

[The Bad Guy]

I want Matt Cassel gone, and I want Andrew Luck. I don't care about these next 15 games as much as I care about getting someone in here that can actually be a franchise QB.

I'm tired of the nonsense and the blind faith I've put in these awful QBs.

Get me someone who is elite at the quarterback position for once in my lifetime.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by milkman

They picked Roethlisberger at 11.

Doh! I was thinking it was at 7.

Still, they took one when they had finally sucked enough to have a chance.

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

We WILL get a franchise QB.

I would have more faith in that if it weren't for the fact that they haven't had one since Len Dawson.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I want Matt Cassel gone, and I want Andrew Luck. I don't care about these next 15 games as much as I care about getting someone in here that can actually be a franchise QB.

I'm tired of the nonsense and the blind faith I've put in these awful QBs.

Get me someone who is elite at the quarterback position for once in my lifetime.

Pretty much.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Frosty

The one time in recent history that they picked in the top 10, they picked a franchise QB. Seemed to work out okay for them.

Ben was picked 11th and the Steelers did not intentionally tank the season to get him. He was also the 3rd QB taken that year, and IMO, the best of the three.

Eli Manning was the guy everyone was drooling over, and he's the least of the bunch.

If a good franchise develops a talented QB, then they'll succeed.

A bad franchise can draft a great QB and it's a disaster. I think Carson Palmer would be an elite QB right now had he been drafted by a team that isn't a complete ****ing circus.

I want us to draft a QB, but I'd never advocate tanking to pick high in the draft and I certainly don't think picking #1 is the absolute best position to be in if you don't win a SB.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by milkman

They picked Roethlisberger at 11.

I will not root for the Chiefs to lose, but the impact of Berry's loss is going to be profound.

Berry struggled early in pass coverage as a rookie, but he improved tremendously as the season progressed, and that's going to be a huge loss for us in pass defense.

But his impact as a run defender, and the loss of that impact in this defense can not be overstated.

He was the primary reason that this run defense wasn't among the wost in the league last year.

Romeo Crennel is going to have to work a miricle to keep this defense from falling into the 25th or lower defense in the NFL this year.

With Detroit, Green Bay, Pittsburg and the Jets on the schedule this year, I expect Cassel will have worse games than this one against Buffalo.

Truth hurts.

Sigh....the Lions are going to murder us....

[stonedstooge]

I get upset when the Chiefs lose preseason games. And they don't even count

[Predarat]

I want them to win, just enough to get Andrew Luck, so 2-3 games maybe.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Ben was picked 11th and the Steelers did not intentionally tank the season to get him. He was also the 3rd QB taken that year, and IMO, the best of the three.

Eli Manning was the guy everyone was drooling over, and he's the least of the bunch.

If a good franchise develops a talented QB, then they'll succeed.

A bad franchise can draft a great QB and it's a disaster. I think Carson Palmer would be an elite QB right now had he been drafted by a team that isn't a complete ****ing circus.

I want us to draft a QB, but I'd never advocate tanking to pick high in the draft and I certainly don't think picking #1 is the absolute best position to be in if you don't win a SB.

Yeah, but I think this team would be a lot better if we had that "least of the bunch."

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Ben was picked 11th and the Steelers did not intentionally tank the season to get him. He was also the 3rd QB taken that year, and IMO, the best of the three.

Wasn't talking about intentionally tanking the season. Just looking for a silver lining in what appears to be a shit season.

[milkman]

As I look at the schedule, there isn't a team that we face that doesn't have some ability to get after the QB.

I'm wondering now if Cassel will have a single game that he surpsses 150 yards passing.

I'm wondering how many games he will finish with fewer than 100 yards.

I think that first sub-100 yard game comes this weekend against the Lions.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

A bad franchise can draft a great QB and it's a disaster. I think Carson Palmer would be an elite QB right now had he been drafted by a team that isn't a complete ****ing circus.

Kimo von Oelhoffen had more to do with that than him being on the Bengals.