Michael Holley on Fescoe, now

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by FAX

You know what I mean.

FAX

No, I think Pioli was smart in both the trade and the contract.

I think Ca$$#ole is a bust, and did from minute one, but Pioli protected himself.

He spent that QB money when we had it to spend and in the 2 years after when the cap wasn't an issue.

He took a gamble, lost, and now that gamble won't come back to haunt him with the new cap.

He'll whipe, flush, and be done...

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Rausch

No, I think Pioli was smart in both the trade and the contract.

I think Ca$$#ole is a bust, and did from minute one, but Pioli protected himself.

He spent that QB money when we had it to spend and in the 2 years after when the cap wasn't an issue.

He took a gamble, lost, and now that gamble won't come back to haunt him with the new cap.

He'll whipe, flush, and be done...

My point is that Cassel represents a crap load of cash and he is stamped with Pioli's imprimatur.

Sure, Cassel will be deemed a failure eventually and we'll move on. In the meantime, though, pulling Cassel (by Haley) would be an insult to Pioli ... that's how I see it, anyhow. A clear demonstration that he is a tool and a moron of extraordinary rank and a final, clear, public admission that Cassel was a bad decision on Pioli's part.

Not good anyway you look at it.

FAX

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by FAX

In the meantime, though, pulling Cassel (by Haley) would be an insult to Pioli ... that's how I see it, anyhow. A clear demonstration that he is a tool and a moron of extraordinary rank and a final, clear, public admission that Cassel was a bad decision on Pioli's part.

Not good anyway you look at it.

FAX

I disagree. For some reason, and according to Holley it would be by agreement between Pioli and Haley, the team went with Cassel, a horrible backup and a 5th round draft choice.

It's too soon to pull the guy who helped get you to the playoffs last year, especially when you have Indy and Minn coming up on the schedule and take some heat off of everyone (players, coaches and management).

But, if KC loses those games, they'd have to play Stanzi and/or Palko in order to determine how they should move forward. If Stanzi plays well and could win 3 out of 5 games at the end of the year, then Haley and Pioli look good for finding a diamond in the rough and coaching him up. If Stanzi fails, "well he's just a 5th rounder, what do you expect, now we know we've got to use that early 1st draft pick on a QB."

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I disagree. For some reason, and according to Holley it would be by agreement between Pioli and Haley, the team went with Cassel, a horrible backup and a 5th round draft choice.

It's too soon to pull the guy who helped get you to the playoffs last year, especially when you have Indy and Minn coming up on the schedule and take some heat off of everyone (players, coaches and management).

But, if KC loses those games, they'd have to play Stanzi and/or Palko in order to determine how they should move forward. If Stanzi plays well and could win 3 out of 5 games at the end of the year, then Haley and Pioli look good for finding a diamond in the rough and coaching him up. If Stanzi fails, "well he's just a 5th rounder, what do you expect, now we know we've got to use that early 1st draft pick on a QB."

Hmmm.

I'm having trouble figuring out where we disagree.

Maybe it's this; you're saying that the decision to pull Cassel would be mutual (between Haley and The Don). Perhaps so. However, I'm saying that, were Haley to make the decision unilaterally, that would be a statement which would indicate just how pointless the entire Cassel experiment and the attendant, prior decisions have been. Ergo, Pioli is a dumbass.

FAX

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I disagree. For some reason, and according to Holley it would be by agreement between Pioli and Haley, the team went with Cassel, a horrible backup and a 5th round draft choice.

It's too soon to pull the guy who helped get you to the playoffs last year, especially when you have Indy and Minn coming up on the schedule and take some heat off of everyone (players, coaches and management).

But, if KC loses those games, they'd have to play Stanzi and/or Palko in order to determine how they should move forward. If Stanzi plays well and could win 3 out of 5 games at the end of the year, then Haley and Pioli look good for finding a diamond in the rough and coaching him up. If Stanzi fails, "well he's just a 5th rounder, what do you expect, now we know we've got to use that early 1st draft pick on a QB."

There is no way id pass on Luck just because we have Stanzi, no matter how good he does...Barring a Kurt Warner 1999 type story, no way, no how.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

There is no way id pass on Luck just because we have Stanzi, no matter how good he does...Barring a Kurt Warner 1999 type story, no way, no how.

If, for some crazy reason, we passed on Luck with the idea of developing Stanzi, I will kill every kitten I see.

FAX

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

So many conspiracy theories go boom.

Except the one that says that this whole season is a pre-planned suck-for-Luck.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

watch the Lions game again. I dare you.

Chiefs were kicking their ass pretty good in the first half.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

This. I rewatched the 1st quarter and we were driving the ball and shutting down the Lions O.

This is totally true. In fact by late 3rd or early 4th quarter while we were losing by a couple of TDs the Lions and their #1 draft choice elite QB had exactly the same yardage as we did.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Haley might be fired at the end of the season.

Again, unless there's some leg to the suck4luck rumor.

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I wouldn't be surprised to see this fall on Muir and Cassel.

Haley would get a new contract and we take Luck at #1.

I would love to see that. I think Haley and Luck would make for a lethal O.

Add to it Zorn promoted to OC and the young "phenom" coach whose name escapes me at the moment promoted to QB coach. Pretty sexy outlook, no?

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Aside from slamming the team, he also told SD natives that another reason to never move to KC was because SD's sports teams were so much better than KC's.

That is total dumbassery! When people move they don't suddenly become fans of the team in their new locality. Someone can move from SD to KC, and still catch the Bolts on TV these days.

Originally Posted by BossChief

If we fire Haley and start from scratch with a new system, that means new playbook to learn...new system...new coaches to get used to.

It would put us back even further IMO.

I totally agree with this.

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Sports media, led by Whitlock, are sometimes a bunch of sniveling, whiney crybabies. They don't like the "secrecy" and lack of access...so they invent shit out of thin air.

This is their way to force the FO to come out and deny their rumor-mongering and thus give up on their secrecy. It's dirty tactics, but they have to sell commercials.

Originally Posted by FAX

It brings to mind the fact that Haley must be living in a sort of hell. I can't believe for one, single, solitary second that he's thrilled with Cassel at the helm - leading the offense into the lethal reefs of certain, mortal disaster and all.

He probably wakes up every morning thinking about how much better this team would be if we had a quarterback who didn't require assistance putting on his socks and shoes.

FAX

Originally Posted by FAX

I'm still pro-Haley. Maybe it's because I was Hermed so badly. But, I really, really liked the way he forced the team back into shape in his first off-season, the way he handled Bowe, the way he handled DJ, etc.

I don't care if he was a dance hall girl in a prior life and his dad was a mass murderer .... well, I might care about that a little ... but you get the point.

Haley, in my view, has the makings of a very find NFL HC. I pray that someday you will agree with me on that point, Mr. Rausch as I value your opinion on matters relating to the great game.

FAX

I totally agree.

Frankie THE AGREEABLE II

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Then get rid of your sig. Pittsburgh's been better without Cowher than with him. If we get a new coach I hope its someone in Haley's mold and not a washed up retread.

Exactly. Mr. Rausch is a friend, but I have to take your side with the Cowher issue.

Plus I really think Cowher is destined for Miami.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

But, if KC loses those games, they'd have to play Stanzi and/or Palko in order to determine how they should move forward. If Stanzi plays well and could win 3 out of 5 games at the end of the year, then Haley and Pioli look good for finding a diamond in the rough and coaching him up. If Stanzi fails, "well he's just a 5th rounder, what do you expect, now we know we've got to use that early 1st draft pick on a QB."

The very point I've been 'jihading' for all over this BB. But Stanzi has been inactive whereas he could have been put in in the 4th quarter of both games for experience and evaluation. That decision has been gnawing at me painfully.

Originally Posted by FAX

If, for some crazy reason, we passed on Luck with the idea of developing Stanzi, I will kill every kitten I see.

FAX

Mr. FAX THE FUTURE SERIAL KILLER.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by FAX

My point is that Cassel represents a crap load of cash and he is stamped with Pioli's imprimatur.

Sure, Cassel will be deemed a failure eventually and we'll move on. In the meantime, though, pulling Cassel (by Haley) would be an insult to Pioli ... that's how I see it, anyhow. A clear demonstration that he is a tool and a moron of extraordinary rank and a final, clear, public admission that Cassel was a bad decision on Pioli's part.

Not good anyway you look at it.

FAX

No it would be throwing in the towel by the head coach of a team that while doing horribly is only doing horribly in game 1 and game 2. There are 16 games.

Is Cassell the right guy for next season and beyond? I don't know, but you don't pull the QB that got you to the playoffs and (backed into) a pro-bowl based on 2 bad games in week 2 of the very next season.

I don't see Cassel getting pulled this early even playing terribly. Check back in week 5.