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Old 09-21-2011, 07:26 AM  
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:21 AM   #121
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I believe what Holley says regarding last year. I still think there are problems (between Haley and Pioli) this year. Just too much smoke. Haley is pissed off because he can't run his offense due to Cassel's limitations, and Pioli blames Haley for Cassel's performance. My take, at least.
I hate to disagree with you, Mr. FringeNC, as you are a poster of great wisdom and skill. However, there's no reason to believe all this "smoke" unless, of course, you choose to believe the Nicks and Whittles. And, frankly, there is absolutely no justification I can think of for trusting those guys to know the facts of the situation.

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Old 09-21-2011, 11:26 AM   #122
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In the meantime, though, pulling Cassel (by Haley) would be an insult to Pioli ... that's how I see it, anyhow. A clear demonstration that he is a tool and a moron of extraordinary rank and a final, clear, public admission that Cassel was a bad decision on Pioli's part.

Not good anyway you look at it.

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I disagree. For some reason, and according to Holley it would be by agreement between Pioli and Haley, the team went with Cassel, a horrible backup and a 5th round draft choice.

It's too soon to pull the guy who helped get you to the playoffs last year, especially when you have Indy and Minn coming up on the schedule and take some heat off of everyone (players, coaches and management).

But, if KC loses those games, they'd have to play Stanzi and/or Palko in order to determine how they should move forward. If Stanzi plays well and could win 3 out of 5 games at the end of the year, then Haley and Pioli look good for finding a diamond in the rough and coaching him up. If Stanzi fails, "well he's just a 5th rounder, what do you expect, now we know we've got to use that early 1st draft pick on a QB."
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Are you guys really this gullible?

This guy is with Pioli and Haley for a few days and we're supposed to believe what he saw is indicative of what goes on ALL THE TIME?

You're going to 100 percent believe everything from a guy who was spoon fed information by Pioli?

And the timing of this EVERYTHING'S A-OK IN KC book's announcement could not be more perfect......

Please.

And FYI, who cares what goes on during the draft, they're professionals, not idiot message board posters....
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I disagree. For some reason, and according to Holley it would be by agreement between Pioli and Haley, the team went with Cassel, a horrible backup and a 5th round draft choice.

It's too soon to pull the guy who helped get you to the playoffs last year, especially when you have Indy and Minn coming up on the schedule and take some heat off of everyone (players, coaches and management).

But, if KC loses those games, they'd have to play Stanzi and/or Palko in order to determine how they should move forward. If Stanzi plays well and could win 3 out of 5 games at the end of the year, then Haley and Pioli look good for finding a diamond in the rough and coaching him up. If Stanzi fails, "well he's just a 5th rounder, what do you expect, now we know we've got to use that early 1st draft pick on a QB."
Hmmm.

I'm having trouble figuring out where we disagree.

Maybe it's this; you're saying that the decision to pull Cassel would be mutual (between Haley and The Don). Perhaps so. However, I'm saying that, were Haley to make the decision unilaterally, that would be a statement which would indicate just how pointless the entire Cassel experiment and the attendant, prior decisions have been. Ergo, Pioli is a dumbass.

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Are you guys really this gullible?

This guy is with Pioli and Haley for a few days and we're supposed to believe what he saw is indicative of what goes on ALL THE TIME?

You're going to 100 percent believe everything from a guy who was spoon fed information by Pioli?

And the timing of this EVERYTHING'S A-OK IN KC book's announcement could not be more perfect......

Please.
Or ... I guess we can put our faith and trust in Whittles and Nick squared.

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Old 09-21-2011, 11:35 AM   #126
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Or ... I guess we can put our faith and trust in Whittles and Nick squared.

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Hey, I don't know who is right....I'm just saying I wouldn't put 100 percent stock in this Pioli-fueled propaganda.

This is no different than Gretz writing something positive about Carl.
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Hey, I don't know who is right....I'm just saying I wouldn't put 100 percent stock in this Pioli-fueled propaganda.

This is no different than Gretz writing something positive about Carl.
Gochiefs questioning the integrity of a real journalist.
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I disagree. For some reason, and according to Holley it would be by agreement between Pioli and Haley, the team went with Cassel, a horrible backup and a 5th round draft choice.

It's too soon to pull the guy who helped get you to the playoffs last year, especially when you have Indy and Minn coming up on the schedule and take some heat off of everyone (players, coaches and management).

But, if KC loses those games, they'd have to play Stanzi and/or Palko in order to determine how they should move forward. If Stanzi plays well and could win 3 out of 5 games at the end of the year, then Haley and Pioli look good for finding a diamond in the rough and coaching him up. If Stanzi fails, "well he's just a 5th rounder, what do you expect, now we know we've got to use that early 1st draft pick on a QB."
There is no way id pass on Luck just because we have Stanzi, no matter how good he does...Barring a Kurt Warner 1999 type story, no way, no how.
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:39 AM   #129
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Hey, I don't know who is right....I'm just saying I wouldn't put 100 percent stock in this Pioli-fueled propaganda.

This is no different than Gretz writing something positive about Carl.
Ummm.

With all respect, I think it's a lot different. Gretz blew the King because his livelihood depended upon good suckage and he delivered.

Holley is a far more independent voice.

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Gochiefs questioning the integrity of a real journalist.
I'm not questioning his integrity at all.

But if you think Haley and Pioli are gonna give a journalist any ammo during the three days he's around you're ignorant.

Of course everything looked like it was hunky dory. Of course they gave him positive information to put into the book.

All I'm saying don't take Holley as 100 percent proof that everything's fine. These NFL guys are masters at spin and controlling the media.
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There is no way id pass on Luck just because we have Stanzi, no matter how good he does...Barring a Kurt Warner 1999 type story, no way, no how.
If, for some crazy reason, we passed on Luck with the idea of developing Stanzi, I will kill every kitten I see.

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I'm not questioning his integrity at all.

But if you think Haley and Pioli are gonna give a journalist any ammo during the three days he's around you're ignorant.

Of course everything looked like it was hunky dory. Of course they gave him positive information to put into the book.

All I'm saying don't take Holley as 100 percent proof that everything's fine. These NFL guys are masters at spin and controlling the media.
How do you know he was around just three days?

Holley didn't say everything was just fine. He gave his opinion of what he saw at the time. He completely refuted all the rumors you have been perpetuating regarding the playcalling at the end of last year.
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Are you guys really this gullible?

This guy is with Pioli and Haley for a few days and we're supposed to believe what he saw is indicative of what goes on ALL THE TIME?

You're going to 100 percent believe everything from a guy who was spoon fed information by Pioli?

And the timing of this EVERYTHING'S A-OK IN KC book's announcement could not be more perfect......

Please.

And FYI, who cares what goes on during the draft, they're professionals, not idiot message board posters....
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