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Resign Carr at basically Flowers' contract. 185 89.81%
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Old 12-05-2011, 01:41 AM  
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Re-Signing Brandon Carr: What Do You Do
There's about four more week of football ahead of us.

We've managed to wrap up Brandon Flowers during the season, Tamba Hali this offseason, DJ and Jamaal Charles last offseason...

This offseason, we have two very important players hitting free agency, and one franchise tag.

The tag goes to Bowe, no sweat. It's impossible to find franchise WRs, and when you have one, you must keep it. He's Top 10 at his position. Carr, for all his talent, is not. He's maybe top 25.

But what would you do if:

Carr (or, more likely, his agent) knows Carr is bound to be drastically overpaid on the free agent market, as young talent almost always is.

He knows the Chiefs desperately want Carr to stay on board. And the Chiefs have no leverage to keep him on board because their franchise tag is tied up with Bowe.

So knowing he has ALL the leverage in this situation, Carr opens big:

"I want 5 years, $50 million, $22 million guaranteed.

Just like my teammate, Brandon Flowers." (And other top flight corners like Johnathan Joseph, who got almost the exact same deal.)

You can haggle with Carr, but keep in mind, you're incredibly time-pressured, and Carr knows he has the leverage here. Even if you get him to come down, it's going to be nickels and dimes lower, not much else.

Do you (a.) sign Carr to a damn near identical deal to Brandon Flowers, or (b.)let Carr walk and just collect the 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick next year.

That's likely going to be our options at this point, folks.

Poll forthcoming.
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:25 AM   #31
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The NFC. Bolding the combos I'd prefer over Flowers/Carr.

Cowboys: Newman/Jenkins (comes close, but no cigar)
Giants: Ross/Webster
Redskins: Hall/Wilson
Eagles: Asomugha/Samuels

Packers: Woodson/Shields
Lions: Houston/Wright
Bears: Tillman/Jennings
Vikings: Griffin/Winfield

Saints: Porter/Greer
Falcons: Robinson/Franks
Panthers: Gamble/Munnerlyn
Bucs: Barber/Talib (close, no cigar)

49ers: Brown/Rogers
Cardinals: Peterson/Marshall
Seahawks: Browner/Sherman
Rams: Fletcher/King
Bolded are the corner duo's you'd take over Flowers/Carr giving up more passing yards a game...

... ****, didn't have to change anything.
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:25 AM   #32
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Again, the argument is NOT that Flowers/Carr is a bad combo.

I think they're a Top 5 combo. Maybe even a Top 3 combo.

But you're suggesting that we pay them $100 million together. It's important to keep context in mind.
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:27 AM   #33
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Again, the argument is NOT that Flowers/Carr is a bad combo.

I think they're a Top 5 combo. Maybe even a Top 3 combo.

But you're suggesting that we pay them $100 million together. It's important to keep context in mind.
No one is suggesting anything. We are suggesting we sign Carr... You are the one coming up with $$$$'s.
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:28 AM   #34
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No one is suggesting anything. We are suggesting we sign Carr... You are the one coming up with $$$$'s.
Do the math.

If I'm Brandon Carr, I can take the Chiefs to the cleaner if they reeeeally want to pay me. You guys can't tag me with shit.

Or I can hit the free market and have four teams compete for me and the winner will drastically overpay, as they always always have to.

What I'm suggesting is realistic.
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:29 AM   #35
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Again, the argument is NOT that Flowers/Carr is a bad combo.

I think they're a Top 5 combo. Maybe even a Top 3 combo.

But you're suggesting that we pay them $100 million together. It's important to keep context in mind.
Who cares? It's not like we don't have the resources to lock these two up and not go after other areas of need, even next season.
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:31 AM   #36
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:31 AM   #37
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Who cares? It's not like we don't have the resources to lock these two up and not go after other areas of need, even next season.
Because the best defenses in the league are built in the front seven. That's who you pay. The secondary is usually devalued because you can adjust for weak links easier, especially if you have a dynamic passrush.

It's the same reason we don't want to have $100 million tied up in a pair of elite runningbacks, or pay $100 million tied up along our interior offensive line.
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:32 AM   #38
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Right.

I'd rather have $100 million tied up in a pair of passrushers. Hell I'll tie up $120 million there.

$100 million in receivers. Or in a QB/RB combo.

I'm not saying don't do it, just yet. But watch how much Carr signs for if he hits the open market.
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Because the best defenses in the league are built in the front seven. That's who you pay. The secondary is usually devalued because you can adjust for weak links easier, especially if you have a dynamic passrush.

It's the same reason we don't want to have $100 million tied up in a pair of elite runningbacks, or pay $100 million tied up along our interior offensive line.
Ya, we might want to rethink this... Carr would probably get 5-7mil a year and a top 10 QB would get 4-5mil a year. Say they get 7 and 5 per year... I really don't know how the Chiefs would spend the rest of that 18mil a year on backups...

Edit: forgot to add in Carr's current salary to that cap. So make that 20mil a year on backups.
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Because the best defenses in the league are built in the front seven. That's who you pay. The secondary is usually devalued because you can adjust for weak links easier, especially if you have a dynamic passrush.

It's the same reason we don't want to have $100 million tied up in a pair of elite runningbacks, or pay $100 million tied up along our interior offensive line.
I'll agree about the front seven, but saying that, it begs the question of where do you think they are and how far away are they. They're not there yet, but how far away are they? You could even argue that the front seven has looked better BECAUSE we have two guys that can go lock up their guys (yeah, I know that flies in the face of rational defensive thinking, but it's plausible).

Another angle to consider - the league is evolving, and you need more than one front line caliber corner with the way the passing game is becoming more prevalent.
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Ya, we might want to rethink this... Carr would probably get 5-7mil a year and a top 10 QB would get 4-5mil a year. Say they get 7 and 5 per year... I really don't know how the Chiefs would spend the rest of that 18mil a year on backups...

Edit: forgot to add in Carr's current salary to that cap. So make that 20mil a year on backups.
I should probably add Bowe's franchise money into that cap. What would it be? Around 10mil or so? So that's another 8mil hit to the salary cap.

12mil for a C/G, RT, and roster depth... not including players who will get cut.
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For one guaranteed money isn't $100,000,000. Front load his deal and eat up some cap right away.

Sign him. NT is going to be a rookie, nobody lets those guys go. QB better be a rookie too. Both cheap.
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I'll agree about the front seven, but saying that, it begs the question of where do you think they are and how far away are they. They're not there yet, but how far away are they? You could even argue that the front seven has looked better BECAUSE we have two guys that can go lock up their guys (yeah, I know that flies in the face of rational defensive thinking, but it's plausible).

Another angle to consider - the league is evolving, and you need more than one front line caliber corner with the way the passing game is becoming more prevalent.
Yeah, really you need 3 or 4.
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I hope we don't let Carr go, I like him as a Chief. I like having continuity built through the draft. Getting EB back next year along side with Kendrick Lewis is going to help Carr & Flowers look that much better than they are.


Maybe if they didn't sign Cassel to that rediculous contract we would be in better shape all together. No other team would have given that money to Cassel, we could have had him cheap in the first place so that we can make moves now after the fact he sucked ass. **** you Pioli for Cassel **** you. Yet we are still not in over our heads with cap money not being there, with the draft pick money set aside for that we should be in good shape to make a deal with Carr. No excuses to let him go or draft a QBotf with our number 1 pick.

Hope to God we keep D Bowe happy here too. I know he will play a factor with what ever he wants to stay a Chief or not in order to keep Carr. We still have cap room to make it work imo. As long as we don't go crazy in FA and continue to use the draft for our core players.
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