Chiefs Re-Signing Brandon Carr: What Do You Do - Page 13

Direckshun · 12-05-2011, 01:41 AM

There's about four more week of football ahead of us.

We've managed to wrap up Brandon Flowers during the season, Tamba Hali this offseason, DJ and Jamaal Charles last offseason...

This offseason, we have two very important players hitting free agency, and one franchise tag.

The tag goes to Bowe, no sweat. It's impossible to find franchise WRs, and when you have one, you must keep it. He's Top 10 at his position. Carr, for all his talent, is not. He's maybe top 25.

But what would you do if:

Carr (or, more likely, his agent) knows Carr is bound to be drastically overpaid on the free agent market, as young talent almost always is.

He knows the Chiefs desperately want Carr to stay on board. And the Chiefs have no leverage to keep him on board because their franchise tag is tied up with Bowe.

So knowing he has ALL the leverage in this situation, Carr opens big:

"I want 5 years, $50 million, $22 million guaranteed.

Just like my teammate, Brandon Flowers." (And other top flight corners like Johnathan Joseph, who got almost the exact same deal.)

You can haggle with Carr, but keep in mind, you're incredibly time-pressured, and Carr knows he has the leverage here. Even if you get him to come down, it's going to be nickels and dimes lower, not much else.

Do you (a.) sign Carr to a damn near identical deal to Brandon Flowers, or (b.)let Carr walk and just collect the 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick next year.

That's likely going to be our options at this point, folks.

Poll forthcoming.

suzzer99 · 12-12-2011, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

@kentbabb
Kent Babb I asked him about that Sunday night. He said: "Does that sound like me?" MT @ArrowheadPride Carr "asking for a LOT" (in new deal)

Awesome.

Pay the man. He's been nothing but professional and consistent. Also he and Flowers are besties. There's no telling if Flowers starts to slip w/o Carr. We have a chance at an all time Chiefs secondary, which is really saying something.

I'd much rather lose inconsistent Bowe - as painful as that would be.

Buckweath · 12-12-2011, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Awesome.

Pay the man. He's been nothing but professional and consistent. Also he and Flowers are besties. There's no telling if Flowers starts to slip w/o Carr. We have a chance at an all time Chiefs secondary, which is really saying something.

I'd much rather lose inconsistent Bowe - as painful as that would be.

This team needs Bowe just as much as Carr but I do think the team would suffer more from the loss of Bowe rather than Carr.

O.city · 12-12-2011, 03:04 PM

After Pioli went to bat for Bowe with the whole Haley thing, I think Bowe will be brought back for sure.

Micjones · 12-12-2011, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Awesome.

Pay the man. He's been nothing but professional and consistent. Also he and Flowers are besties. There's no telling if Flowers starts to slip w/o Carr. We have a chance at an all time Chiefs secondary, which is really saying something.

I'd much rather lose inconsistent Bowe - as painful as that would be.

I don't want to lose either of them with millions upon millions of dollars free under the cap. These were homegrown players. Pay them and let's address other areas.

RUSH · 12-19-2011, 07:21 AM

Great game once again. He deserves Flowers money and if the Chiefs aren't willing to give him that then someone else will in free agency.

They are 30 million under the cap with more money coming off after this year.

Would be a total embarrassment if he's not re-signed.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-19-2011, 07:31 AM

Arenas can't play on the outside, and Brown isn't and won't ever be as good as Carr, and I'm a Brown fan.

I don't see a better pair of corners in the NFL. Lock them up.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-19-2011, 08:03 AM

Carr deserves to get paid, and paid well.

It better be from the Chiefs.

**the Talking Can** · 12-19-2011, 08:06 AM

that tightwad clark has plenty of money to sign carr and bowe, get it done...

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-21-2011, 12:16 PM

BCarr39Brandon Carr

Wow, what a morning already!

Lets hope a new deal is in the works.

htismaqe · 12-21-2011, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

BCarr39Brandon Carr

Wow, what a morning already!

Lets hope a new deal is in the works.

Sweet, let's hope...

DJ's left nut · 12-21-2011, 01:14 PM

Just drop Flowers' contract in front of him and call it a day.

Pioli !@#$ed this negotiation up before the season when he didn't lock him down like he should have, when his value was extremely low and he hadn't already set his 'ceiling' for corners.

Instead he did it in a backwards order, let it drag on and lost his leverage. Now the best decision he can make is to give him the market value so he can at least maintain leverage as it relates to Bowe.

Getting Carr signed makes the franchise tag on Bowe a done deal. So lets at least try to salvage something here by giving Carr what he's going to get anyway, giving it to him now and getting some negotiating leverage back with Bowe.

Pioli really did screw the pooch here.

KC Hawks · 12-21-2011, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

BCarr39Brandon Carr

Crazy, crazy day. I've seen and been thru so much in these 4yrs. But at the end of the day the motto remains the same: LDC

Lock down corner?

jd1020 · 12-21-2011, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Hawks

Lock down corner?

"Lets ditch Carr"

Sofa King · 12-21-2011, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

BCarr39Brandon Carr

Wow, what a morning already!

Lets hope a new deal is in the works.

He probably had his new bidet installed.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-29-2011, 10:10 AM

Extensions

NFL teams have until Saturday at 4 pm eastern time to submit contract extensions. In such cases, any increase in 2011 compensation is treated as signing bonus and prorated through the life of the contract, with 2011 as one of the prorated years

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...s-on-2011.html

Go get carr locked up

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12-05-2011, 01:41 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2083447	Re-Signing Brandon Carr: What Do You Do There's about four more week of football ahead of us. We've managed to wrap up Brandon Flowers during the season, Tamba Hali this offseason, DJ and Jamaal Charles last offseason... This offseason, we have two very important players hitting free agency, and one franchise tag. The tag goes to Bowe, no sweat. It's impossible to find franchise WRs, and when you have one, you must keep it. He's Top 10 at his position. Carr, for all his talent, is not. He's maybe top 25. But what would you do if: Carr (or, more likely, his agent) knows Carr is bound to be drastically overpaid on the free agent market, as young talent almost always is. He knows the Chiefs desperately want Carr to stay on board. And the Chiefs have no leverage to keep him on board because their franchise tag is tied up with Bowe. So knowing he has ALL the leverage in this situation, Carr opens big: "I want 5 years, $50 million, $22 million guaranteed. Just like my teammate, Brandon Flowers." (And other top flight corners like Johnathan Joseph, who got almost the exact same deal.) You can haggle with Carr, but keep in mind, you're incredibly time-pressured, and Carr knows he has the leverage here. Even if you get him to come down, it's going to be nickels and dimes lower, not much else. Do you (a.) sign Carr to a damn near identical deal to Brandon Flowers, or (b.)let Carr walk and just collect the 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick next year. That's likely going to be our options at this point, folks. Poll forthcoming.
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12-12-2011, 03:04 PM	#183
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-585936	After Pioli went to bat for Bowe with the whole Haley thing, I think Bowe will be brought back for sure.
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12-19-2011, 07:21 AM	#185
RUSH Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NY Casino cash: $10004905	Great game once again. He deserves Flowers money and if the Chiefs aren't willing to give him that then someone else will in free agency. They are 30 million under the cap with more money coming off after this year. Would be a total embarrassment if he's not re-signed.
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12-19-2011, 07:31 AM	#186
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	Arenas can't play on the outside, and Brown isn't and won't ever be as good as Carr, and I'm a Brown fan. I don't see a better pair of corners in the NFL. Lock them up. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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12-19-2011, 08:03 AM	#187
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Carr deserves to get paid, and paid well. It better be from the Chiefs. __________________
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12-19-2011, 08:06 AM	#188
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9312208	that tightwad clark has plenty of money to sign carr and bowe, get it done... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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12-21-2011, 12:16 PM	#189
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	BCarr39Brandon Carr Wow, what a morning already! Lets hope a new deal is in the works.
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12-21-2011, 01:14 PM	#191
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-700901	Just drop Flowers' contract in front of him and call it a day. Pioli !@#$ed this negotiation up before the season when he didn't lock him down like he should have, when his value was extremely low and he hadn't already set his 'ceiling' for corners. Instead he did it in a backwards order, let it drag on and lost his leverage. Now the best decision he can make is to give him the market value so he can at least maintain leverage as it relates to Bowe. Getting Carr signed makes the franchise tag on Bowe a done deal. So lets at least try to salvage something here by giving Carr what he's going to get anyway, giving it to him now and getting some negotiating leverage back with Bowe. Pioli really did screw the pooch here. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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12-29-2011, 10:10 AM	#195
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	Extensions NFL teams have until Saturday at 4 pm eastern time to submit contract extensions. In such cases, any increase in 2011 compensation is treated as signing bonus and prorated through the life of the contract, with 2011 as one of the prorated years http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...s-on-2011.html Go get carr locked up
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