Tim Tebow is John Elway

[Rain Man]

I speak only the humble truth with my statistics. I repeat my question: would we be happy with a #1 pick QB who started for a decade and annually produced 16 TDs, 16 Ints, 3,000 yards, and a QB rating of 74?

Players who produced a rating in the 70 to 75 range this year were Josh Freeman, Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, Rex Grossman, Christian Ponder, and Sam Bradford.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I speak only the humble truth with my statistics. I repeat my question: would we be happy with a #1 pick QB who started for a decade and annually produced 16 TDs, 16 Ints, 3,000 yards, and a QB rating of 74?

Players who produced a rating in the 70 to 75 range this year were Josh Freeman, Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, Rex Grossman, Christian Ponder, and Sam Bradford.

Comparing the NFL and the style of play from two eras that are 20 years apart... good luck.

Statistics are great though... in that 10 year span, he had 6 seasons over 16 TD passes... 6 with fewer than 16 INTs.

Again, different era and had he been in an offense with a pass friendly coach like Shula... yeah, he'd have the numbers that Marino put up.

Just deal with it...

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Comparing the NFL and the style of play from two eras that are 20 years apart... good luck.

Statistics are great though... in that 10 year span, he had 6 seasons over 16 TD passes... 6 with fewer than 16 INTs.

Again, different era and had he been in an offense with a pass friendly coach like Shula... yeah, he'd have the numbers that Marino put up.

Just deal with it...

I guess you missed the post comparing Elways stats to those of the same era.

Don't get me wrong, I think Elway is one of the five best of all time, but he did have pretty average stats.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I speak only the humble truth with my statistics. I repeat my question: would we be happy with a #1 pick QB who started for a decade and annually produced 16 TDs, 16 Ints, 3,000 yards, and a QB rating of 74?

Players who produced a rating in the 70 to 75 range this year were Josh Freeman, Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, Rex Grossman, Christian Ponder, and Sam Bradford.

In them first 10 years, how many superbowls did he go to and how many play off wins? I'd definately take that. Remember who elway had around him as recievers early in his career. They were not good players. They were pretty ****ing terrible. As was their running backs.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

In them first 10 years, how many superbowls did he go to and how many play off wins? I'd definately take that. Remember who elway had around him as recievers early in his career. They were not good players. They were pretty ****ing terrible. As was their running backs.

And how many top 10 defenses?

Again, Elway was NOT that team.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

In them first 10 years, how many superbowls did he go to and how many play off wins? I'd definately take that. Remember who elway had around him as recievers early in his career. They were not good players. They were pretty ****ing terrible. As was their running backs.

For reference, here are Elway's performances in those Super Bowls.

Super Bowl 21
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 22 37 304 8.2 1 1 54 83.6

Super Bowl 22
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 14 38 257 6.8 1 3 56 36.8

Super Bowl 24
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 10 26 108 4.2 0 2 27 19.4

Super Bowl 32*
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 12 22 123 5.6 0 1 36 51.9

*Willful and illegal violations of the salary cap produced unfair advantages for the team in this year.

Super Bowl 33*
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 18 29 336 11.6 1 1 80 99.2

*Willful and illegal violations of the salary cap produced unfair advantages for the team in this year.


In total, he went 76 of 152 for 1,128 yards, 3 TDs, and 8 Ints in Super Bowls. This equates to an average game of 15 for 30 for 226 yards, 0 TDs and 2 Ints.

His overall QB rating in Super Bowls was 59.3. Yeah, that's a clutch player.

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

In total, he went 76 of 152 for 1,128 yards, 3 TDs, and 8 Ints in Super Bowls. This equates to an average game of 15 for 30 for 226 yards, 0 TDs and 2 Ints.

His overall QB rating in Super Bowls was 59.3. Yeah, that's a clutch player.

Nobodies fans gets more Bent Out Shape over hearing the truth about their QB than Donkey Fans do with Horseface.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

Nobodies fans gets more Bent Out Shape over hearing the truth about their QB than Donkey Fans do with Horseface.

As a point of reference, Tyler Palko's QB rating this year was 59.8. So in five Super Bowls, Elway played at a level slightly below what we saw from Palko this year.