Todd Haley going back to the Cardinals?

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mikejureckiMike Jurecki

Hearing Todd Haley is on the Cardinals radar .... the plot thickens. #justsayin


Cardinals plan to speak with Haley about return

Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt is expected to talk to former Chiefs coach Todd Haley about a position on the Cardinals coaching staff, according to NFL sources.

Haley, the Cardinals offensive coordinator from 2007 through 2009, was fired by the Chiefs in December when the Chiefs had a 5-8 record. Haley was 19-27 as a head coach and his Chiefs team won the AFC West title in 2010.

Haley and Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt have been friends for years, and Haley was offensive coordinator in 2008 and 2009 when the Cardinals won consecutive NFC West titles.

It’s unknown what title Haley would have should he return to the Cardinals, but he likely would be place in charge of the offense again.

The Cardinals have not been nearly as good on offense since Haley left, but his departure also coincided with the retirement of quarterback Kurt Warner. The Cardinals have had four different starting quarterbacks since Warner retired.

When Haley left, Mike Miller was promoted from receivers coach to passing game coordinator. Russ Grimm was assistant head coach/offensive line and run game coordinator. After that season, Miller was promoted to offensive coordinator, while Grimm remained assistant head coach. He continued to have a strong influence on the offensive game plan.

Whisenhunt would have to create a position for Haley, which would mean either re-organizing his existing coaching staff or adding a coach.

Haley is fiery and emotional, and several Cardinals players, including receiver Larry Fitzgerald, credit Haley with challenging them to become better players.

Haley, however, can be an acquired taste, and not everyone develops it. Haley and Chiefs General Manager Scott Pioli reportedly had a contentious relationship, a factor that played into Haley’s dismissal.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Bull. Orton was clearly the best choice to start. Haley deserved to be fired. If Orton starts, we finish at least 8-8.

Pioli went out and spent an extra 3 million or so to get Orton for less than half a season. Pioli provided a better alternative to Palko, it was Haley who failed to utilize it.

Haley hooked Palko in the Bears game. Haley was ultra-conservative about waiting until he thought Orton was ready, yes. But the only game that may have affected was the Steelers' game. I don't agree with the decision to wait that long, but it's a perfectly justifiable reason.

[whoman69]

Everyone saw how good Carson Palmer was rushed into action without really knowing the playbook. Maybe Orton should have started against Chicago, but we did win that game so it didn't cost us there. I don't think you can even say Orton would have been ready against Pittsburg. He was only on the team for a week and a half and had very few practices.

[Royal Fanatic]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Not defending Haley. Just not willing to say that he was THE problem here.

Because he wasn't.

You're right, Haley wasn't THE problem.

However, Haley was certainly a problem, and in retrospect he was a bad hire. Did he do some good things? Sure. He got Duane Bowe and Derrick Johnson to play up to their potential. But in the end the bad outweighed the good. Any coach who changes offensive coordinators every year and starts Tyler ****ing Palko through sheer stubbornness is a problem.

[Royal Fanatic]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Everyone saw how good Carson Palmer was rushed into action without really knowing the playbook. Maybe Orton should have started against Chicago, but we did win that game so it didn't cost us there. I don't think you can even say Orton would have been ready against Pittsburg. He was only on the team for a week and a half and had very few practices.

I've got to think he was more ready than Tyler Palko. You can't really compare Orton with Palmer because Orton was starting for Denver when Carson Palmer was sitting on his couch.

[Caseyguyrr]

i could really care less

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Not defending Haley. Just not willing to say that he was THE problem here.

Because he wasn't.

So his inability to get along with assistants, sideline demeanor and inability to actually beat teams with a winning record is someone else's fault?

Haley was a great fluff head coach. However, there was absolutely no substance to him. He'll never get another HC job. Ever.

[kcxiv]

ANYONE would be a bad hire if you dont have a qb. It doesnt matter who the coach is, no good qb, then as a coach your going to fail.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

So his inability to get along with assistants, sideline demeanor and inability to actually beat teams with a winning record is someone else's fault?

Haley was a great fluff head coach. However, there was absolutely no substance to him. He'll never get another HC job. Ever.

Yes.

It seems pretty apparent that Pioli jammed coordinators he didn't want down his throat. Haley handled that like a child, but Pioli has an obligation to at least try to get a guy they mutually wanted. Thing is, Haley didn't pout when Whisenhunt didn't give him full playcalling responsibility. And Whisenhunt obviously loves the guy and it looks like he wants to re-hire him, so bologna to the idea that he can't work with anybody. The only guy he proved he can't work with is Weis.

As for everything else, we couldn't beat winning teams because we didn't have talent to beat winning teams. And that starts with the QB.

He deserved to get fired. But I still believe that if he worked with a less toxic front office, he would have gotten much better results.

[Simplicity]

Why?????????

[Agent V]

I don't think you can defend Haley at all after both the Palko decision and the formations on third down against the Jets.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

So his inability to get along with assistants, sideline demeanor and inability to actually beat teams with a winning record is someone else's fault?

Haley was a great fluff head coach. However, there was absolutely no substance to him. He'll never get another HC job. Ever.

The bottom line is winning.

Something we won't do without a QB - whether or not Haley is here has nothing to do with it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes.

It seems pretty apparent that Pioli jammed coordinators he didn't want down his throat. Haley handled that like a child, but Pioli has an obligation to at least try to get a guy they mutually wanted. Thing is, Haley didn't pout when Whisenhunt didn't give him full playcalling responsibility. And Whisenhunt obviously loves the guy and it looks like he wants to re-hire him, so bologna to the idea that he can't work with anybody. The only guy he proved he can't work with is Weis.

As for everything else, we couldn't beat winning teams because we didn't have talent to beat winning teams. And that starts with the QB.

He deserved to get fired. But I still believe that if he worked with a less toxic front office, he would have gotten much better results.

This.

[The Bad Guy]

I can tell you this with 100% confidence, Pioli never forced a single coach on Haley during the 3 years.

Weis and Romeo were both Haley's calls. Not Pioli. Pioli supported the idea, but it was Haley that wanted them.

[DeezNutz]

I don't understand why we have to try to mythologize the guy and make a shit ton of excuses for him. The truth is that Haley was an abysmal HC; it really is that simple.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't understand why we have to try to mythologize the guy and make a shit ton of excuses for him. The truth is that Haley was an abysmal HC; it really is that simple.

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