Be the GM Part 3

[whoman69]

This will be a repeating feature. We will take each position in turn. For each position we will look at the players we already have on the roster and whether those player should be retained, resigned, traded, or cut. We will also discuss whether we need help in the draft, trades or free agency. The next position look to be another area we need help, DEFENSIVE LINE.

Currently on the roster we have:

Glenn Dorsey DE under contract $5.2 million cap hit
Allen Bailey DE under contract approx $2 million cap hit
Wallace Gilberry DE UFA
Kelly Gregg DT UFA
Tamba Hali DE under contract approx $12 million cap hit
Tyson Jackson DE under contract $2.5 million cap hit
Jerrell Powe DT under contract, unknown salary
Anthony Torbio DT under contact $405,000 cap hit
Brandon Bair DE unknown status

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by cdcox

I think you need to have lots of depth on the DL. More than any other position, you need to rotate those guys to keep them fresh. At DE, there are plenty of snaps for Jackson, Dorsey, Bailey and to a lesser extent Gilberry. Some of those guys can play inside on passing downs. The clearest need we have on the DL is a two-down run stopping NT. Maybe Powe can be that guy, or he can be depth at that position, in which case he would get a couple of hundred snaps a year. Other than that, our DL is fine. i wouldn't trade Dorsey because I don't think you'd get the value for him. We need six guys that can contribute at this position. I think we have four, and possibly five with Powe.

How much value do you put on Dorsey to claim we wouldn't get equal value for him? Are you still holding on to the fact that he was a top 5 pick?

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

How much value do you put on Dorsey to claim we wouldn't get equal value for him? Are you still holding on to the fact that he was a top 5 pick?

I don't know about him, but for me, I don't think teams every get value for actual players. Look at how many good players go for 3rd of 4ths. Then again Cassel went for a 2nd.

You don't see many DE's in 34 getting traded. I can't think of what the value would be. Are you guys talking about using him to go get Luck/RG3?

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I don't know about him, but for me, I don't think teams every get value for actual players. Look at how many good players go for 3rd of 4ths. Then again Cassel went for a 2nd.

You don't see many DE's in 34 getting traded. I can't think of what the value would be. Are you guys talking about using him to go get Luck/RG3?

I'm not. I'm just wondering how much people think Dorsey is worth. A lot of people keep saying we wont get value for him. Well... We won't get value for him because he's been dogshit. Our DLine is solid against the run. The end. Dorsey, if I'm not mistaken, had 8 less run stops than Jackson and Jackson had much better production rushing the passer and he was terrible at rushing the passer, so that tells you something about Dorsey.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I'm not. I'm just wondering how much people think Dorsey is worth. A lot of people keep saying we wont get value for him. Well... We won't get value for him because he's been dogshit. Our DLine is solid against the run. The end. Dorsey, if I'm not mistaken, had 8 less run stops than Jackson and Jackson had much better production rushing the passer and he was terrible at rushing the passer, so that tells you something about Dorsey.

Well I don't think being worse than Jackson is that bad of a thing this season. That being said, Dorsey hasn't made the progress this season that he had the year before from what I saw. Then again, with such a crap season, I didn't watch the Directv shortcuts of the games like I usually do so my view of guys in positions like that is weaker than usual. I would like to see their PFW grades again if possible.

Just shooting blindly, I don't think any team views him highly enough to give up more than a 3rd for him. I really don't know what the market value is for a 34 DE.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by jd1020

How much value do you put on Dorsey to claim we wouldn't get equal value for him? Are you still holding on to the fact that he was a top 5 pick?

There is no way we would get any where close to a top 5 pick for him. I think any first round pick is a pipe dream. We could trade him for a non-first round draft pick that may or may not develop into a starter. To me, there is less than a 15% chance that the draft pick we would get for him would develop into a better player.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by cdcox

There is no way we would get any where close to a top 5 pick for him. I think any first round pick is a pipe dream. We could trade him for a non-first round draft pick that may or may not develop into a starter. To me, there is less than a 15% chance that the draft pick we would get for him would develop into a better player.

Yeah I don't think trading him makes any sense at all unless its with other picks to move up to get a real QB. Trading him by himself doesn't get you that much, and not enough IMO.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by cdcox

There is no way we would get any where close to a top 5 pick for him. I think any first round pick is a pipe dream. We could trade him for a non-first round draft pick that may or may not develop into a starter. To me, there is less than a 15% chance that the draft pick we would get for him would develop into a better player.

If Dorsey could get us a 2nd or 3rd and put us in a position to draft a player like Billy Winn with our 2nd round pick I would do it without hesitating.

[OzarksChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I'm not. I'm just wondering how much people think Dorsey is worth. A lot of people keep saying we wont get value for him. Well... We won't get value for him because he's been dogshit. Our DLine is solid against the run. The end. Dorsey, if I'm not mistaken, had 8 less run stops than Jackson and Jackson had much better production rushing the passer and he was terrible at rushing the passer, so that tells you something about Dorsey.

Dude you are so full of it. Obviously you don't pay attention to defensive line play. Check Dorsey's stats against other 3/4 DEs, he's doing a good job. In fact Denver said they ran at Jackson to avoid Dorsey. Dude was 4th among DEs in tackles Jackson was tenth. He draws double teams Jackson rarely does. Why don't you learn some football before you open your mouth?

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by OzarksChiefsFan

Dude you are so full of it. Obviously you don't pay attention to defensive line play. Check Dorsey's stats against other 3/4 DEs, he's doing a good job. In fact Denver said they ran at Jackson to avoid Dorsey. Dude was 4th among DEs in tackles Jackson was tenth. He draws double teams Jackson rarely does. Why don't you learn some football before you open your mouth?

Dorsey had a few more tackles? Big whoop. He was worse than Jackson in run stops and pass rushing.

Top 5 3-4 DE grades: +47.5, 33.1, 30.6, 26.6,26.3

Jackson: +7.3

Dorsey: +5.2

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Gregg is dead man walking unless he wants to come back as a backup. I would see what kind of trade bait Dorsey can be with Bailey coming on. I think many will think Dorsey has more ability in a 4-3. I would look in round 2 for a NT.

Not this shit again....

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by jd1020

If Dorsey could get us a 2nd or 3rd and put us in a position to draft a player like Billy Winn with our 2nd round pick I would do it without hesitating.

You guys are batshit ****ing crazy. Heeeeeeerppp Trade all our guys for 2nds and 3rds that have a 50 percent plus bust rate. Trade Bowe, trade Carr, trade Dorsey or move him to nose, move Albert to guard Deeeeeeeerppppppppp

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by PGM

You guys are batshit ****ing crazy. Heeeeeeerppp Trade all our guys for 2nds and 3rds that have a 50 percent plus bust rate. Trade Bowe, trade Carr, trade Dorsey or move him to nose, move Albert to guard Deeeeeeeerppppppppp

I agree. We should really hang on to a 4-3 DT who has regressed to worse than Tyson Jackson as a 3-4 DE. It's a much better idea to let him walk in free agency.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I agree. We should really hang on to a 4-3 DT who has regressed to worse than Tyson Jackson as a 3-4 DE. It's a much better idea to let him walk in free agency.

...except that Dorsey is an elite run defender in the 3-4. How many times must we go over this?

The Chiefs have a very nice rotation at DE, I doubt they are looking for changes and I can't blame them.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by PGM

...except that Dorsey is an elite run defender in the 3-4. How many times must we go over this?

The Chiefs have a very nice rotation at DE, I doubt they are looking for changes and I can't blame them.

An elite run defender that can't get any kind of push when the majority of the time he's not eating any kind of double team, aka... not doing his job.

SIGN HIM TO AN EXTENSION NOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Dorsey rushed the passer on 200 some odd plays. He hit the QB 2 times and pressured the QB 2 times. GO DORSEY, GO, GO, GO DORSEY!!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by jd1020

An elite run defender that can't get any kind of push when the majority of the time he's not eating any kind of double team, aka... not doing his job.

SIGN HIM TO AN EXTENSION NOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Dorsey rushed the passer on 200 some odd plays. He hit the QB 2 times and pressured the QB 2 times. GO DORSEY, GO, GO, GO DORSEY!!

Chiefs gave up 14 points a game and had 20 sacks the last 6 games, both top 2 in the NFL. It's safe to say, he's doing the job they want him to do and doing it well. Sorry, that you need to buy a clue to see that.