Gas up before Sunday

[bevischief]

Key US oil supplier may cut off spigot Sunday
Associated PressBy CHRIS KAHN | Associated Press – Fri, Jan 13, 2012

Angry youths protest in front of the National television station on fourth day of the nationwide strike on the removal of a fuel subsidy by the government in Lagos, Nigeria, Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012. A union representing 20,000 oil and gas workers in Nigeria threatened Thursday it would shut down all production starting Sunday to take part in the crippling nationwide strike over spiraling fuel prices. (AP Photo/Sunday Alamba)

Angry youths protest in front of the National television station on fourth day of …

NEW YORK (AP) — One of the biggest suppliers of oil to the United States may shut off the spigot this weekend, pushing crude and gasoline prices higher for Americans.

Nigeria, which supplies 8 percent of U.S. oil imports, could see production halted if striking workers walk off the job Sunday. Workers are demanding the return of a vital government fuel subsidy that has kept gasoline prices low in that impoverished and restive nation of 160 million people.

It's unclear how much of Nigeria's production would be affected. At worst, the country's 20,000 unionized oil workers could take as much as 2.4 million barrels of daily crude production off the market, striking at the heart of Nigeria's oil-dependent economy.



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[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Coltman

said he would not support the Keystone Pipeline. There goes 100,000 good paying jobs.

This may be the most garbage statistic to grace CP, which is saying something.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So big oil DOES have something in common with wind and solar power...

There'll be scammers in everything we do as long as our system is set up for bribery. However, that is a different issue than the environmental damage that is being ignored by the recent push to drill at all costs.

[gblowfish]

I was watching Frontline about the future of Nuclear Power in Japan and Germany last night (because I couldn't find "The Beverly Hillbillies").

All I thought of over and over was..."Man, that German scientist chick is HOT. I'd like to have nasty lab sex with her!"

I've got this thing about hot German Blonde women in business attire....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...r-aftershocks/

[penchief]

Originally Posted by Donger

Good, I use as little as I can, too. The difference is that I'm not a huge hypocrite about it.

The FACT is that gasoline and diesel are the only presently-viable methods of fueling our vehicles. Unless and until we get another source, I'll take all and every source of that crude we can find, particularly from friendly sources.

I realize that you are all giddy about us killing ourselves through fossil fuel poisoning the air and water, but the fact is that we are not. Is there a remote possibility of this pipeline leaking and killing some fish? Yes, but the benefit it would bring FAR outweigh that minimal risk.

This is the kind of talk we always hear when the industry wants their way. Before tragedy happens. And the tragedy always happens. Minimize the risks and exaggerate the benefits. And when evidence starts to rear its ugly head, resort to denial, denial, denial. That's the way the industry always does it. Follow suit ye minions.

The only reason our viable options are limited is because the status quo has done its best to stifle the alternatives and promote the its own interests. This is all about maintaining the status quo. If the subsidies that are given to the oil companies were given to research we'd already have a brighter future instead of being held captive by the oil and gas industry. Jimmy Carter had it right. Instead of mocking carter, Ronald Regan would have been wiser to exercise the same forsight. Instead, he was a shortsighted lackey to the oil industry. Well, to all of big business.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by penchief

This is the kind of talk we always hear when the industry wants their way. Before tragedy happens. And the tragedy always happens. Minimize the risks and exaggerate the benefits. And when evidence starts to rear its ugly head, resort to denial, denial, denial. That's the way the industry always does it. Follow suit ye minions.

The only reason our viable options are limited is because the status quo has done its best to stifle the alternatives and promote the its own interests. This is all about maintaining the status quo. If the subsidies that are given to the oil companies were given to research we'd already have a brighter future instead of being held captive by the oil and gas industry. Jimmy Carter had it right. Instead of mocking carter, Ronald Regan would have been wiser to exercise the same forsight. Instead, he was a shortsighted lackey to the oil industry. Well, to all of big business.

Errr, what tragedy do you think is going to happen because of one new oil pipeline? Mass deaths or something?

Also, what alternative do you think have been stifled?

[stevieray]

IIRC, didn't the Ohio river literally catch on fire a liitle over a hundred years ago? ..due to toxins being dumped from the manufacturing industry? (specifically the auto industry?)

pretty sure that's not gonna happen again.


...think I'll go for a drive.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by Donger

Errr, what tragedy do you think is going to happen because of one new oil pipeline? Mass deaths or something?

Also, what alternative do you think have been stifled?

The alternatives have all been discussed for decades but hardly pursued in earnest. A dedicated effort to do better would have yielded much more than it has thus far.

The environmental degradation of extracting and burninig fossil fuels is well documented. That's the reason there are environmental laws. However, the industry has successfully lobbied to be exempted from many of the major regulations that have served us well for decades. Which is leading to a slow attrition of the environment in my back yard. Ground water, air, and soil are all affected.

If we can't get off oil and gas at least we should make an honest effort to refine the process to make it less detrimental. But I get it. I think we CAN do better and should do better. While you are happy with the status quo.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by penchief

The alternatives have all been discussed for decades but hardly pursued in earnest. A dedicated effort to do better would have yielded much more than it has thus far.

The environmental degradation of extracting and burninig fossil fuels is well documented. That's the reason there are environmental laws. However, the industry has successfully lobbied to be exempted from many of the major regulations that have served us well for decades. Which is leading to a slow attrition of the environment in my back yard. Ground water, air, and soil are all affected.

If we can't get off oil and gas at least we should make an honest effort to refine the process to make it less detrimental. But I get it. I think we CAN do better and should do better. While you are happy with the status quo.

The alternatives are not viable, either economically or with regard to efficiency (or both) compared to refined crude.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

There isn't a rancher/farmer (all conservatives) in SD or NE that supports keystone. Lot's of reasons why.

They like to pay more for gas, or do they like the fact that Canada is going to tell us to **** off and sell the oil to China? Oh and I call Bullshit.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by stevieray

IIRC, didn't the Ohio river literally catch on fire a liitle over a hundred years ago? ..due to toxins being dumped from the manufacturing industry? (specifically the auto industry?)

pretty sure that's not gonna happen again.


...think I'll go for a drive.

I'm glad you are sure of that. Because I see industry being exempted from the very regulations that have prevented environmental degradation.

For example, the gas industry has been exempted from many major environmental regulations, including the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Clean Drinking Water Act, and the Superfund Act.

I wish I were as confident as you. But I see my backyard being trashed because the U.S. government has seen fit to exempt them from laws proven to be effective. And because Pennsylvania has a governor that is in bed with the gas industry and who has appointed gas industry advocates to positions within the PA Department of Environmental Conservation.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by Bwana

They like to pay more for gas, or do they like the fact that Canada is going to tell us to **** off and sell the oil to China? Oh and I call Bullshit.

The price of gas isn't going to go down with the Keystone Pipeline. It's a racket. The more the industry gets what it wants, the more nothing changes. Gas prices are set by Wall Street speculators. Supply and demand has nothing to do with it anymore. It's all about manipulating the global market.

If fewer people were susceptible to the rhetoric used by the industry to blackmail us, we might actully be able to affect some change. But as it is, the industry PR campaign is strong. We'll believe anything they say because why would they lie to us? They only want to give us jobs and lower gas prices, right?