Chiefs I think the QB of the future may be on our roster already. - Page 7

Coogs · 09-03-2012, 01:26 PM

Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn.

I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week.

Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards.

Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards.

The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills.

Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily.

The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together.

Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players.

3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down.

3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down.

3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured.

Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD.

That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them.

I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.

**BossChief** · 09-03-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Quinn is 27.

He will be 28 in a month.

Close enough.

A franchise quarterback makes a routine throw for a touchdown instead of throwing a pick.

Sorry.

At this point, I dont even care...Id be totally fine with starting from scratch and drafting 2 quarterbacks high in the next draft and let an open competition commence.

Coogs · 09-03-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

He will be 28 in a month.

Close enough.

A franchise quarterback makes a routine throw for a touchdown instead of throwing a pick.

Sorry.

At this point, I dont even care...Id be totally fine with starting from scratch and drafting 2 quarterbacks high in the next draft and let an open competition commence.

Fair enough. I'm good with drafting one too. I just went back through the tape and did what you did with Stanzi against the Rams. That should be legal.

**BossChief** · 09-03-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Fair enough. I'm good with drafting one too. I just went back through the tape and did what you did with Stanzi against the Rams. That should be legal.

I'm not saying that isn't fair.

It is.

At this point, Cassel is our best quarterback and there hasn't been enough to provide hope that either Stanzi or Quinn would be better.

Thats why I said I wouldn't be opposed to us drafting 2 quarterbacks next year and let Stanzi and Cassel duke it out to see who stays on the roster.

Hopefully, Cassel throws down a breakout year, though and makes all that moot.

Coogs · 09-03-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I'm not saying that isn't fair.

It is.

At this point, Cassel is our best quarterback and there hasn't been enough to provide hope that either Stanzi or Quinn would be better.

Thats why I said I wouldn't be opposed to us drafting 2 quarterbacks next year and let Stanzi and Cassel duke it out to see who stays on the roster.

Hopefully, Cassel throws down a breakout year, though and makes all that moot.

I agree with most of your post except the bolded point. Your weeks 6 thing. Quinn instead of Stanzi.

jd1020 · 09-03-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I agree with most of your post except the bolded point. Your weeks 6 thing. Quinn instead of Stanzi.

**BossChief** · 09-03-2012, 06:16 PM

Quinn has a sprained neck, doesn't he?

I wonder how that little detail will play out.

jd1020 · 09-03-2012, 06:17 PM

Chiefs QBoTF is not currently on the roster.

Coogs · 09-03-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Quinn has a sprained neck, doesn't he?

I wonder how that little detail will play out.

Last I saw was Crennel thought he should be good to go.

Coogs · 09-03-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Chiefs QBoTF is not currently on the roster.

Convincing arguement!

BoneKrusher · 09-03-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

I'll take Quinn over Cassel

same here.
we know what we have in Matt after 3 years of checkdowns, INTs on screen passes and staring down WR's.
we cant say that about Quinn.

jd1020 · 09-03-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Convincing arguement!

Don't need to argue it when you look at the Chiefs depth chart and see:

1. Cassel
2. Quinn
3. Stanzi

or...

1. Shit
2. Shit
3. Shit

Setsuna · 09-03-2012, 06:37 PM

If you want less turnovers, then Cassel is your guy. And that's what anyone with a brain wants so Quinn will never be your guy.

Coogs · 09-03-2012, 06:38 PM

All during the offseason, I was hoping to get either Quinn or Stanzi some reps with the #1's. Didn't happen. Even in drills as far as I can tell. Never did hear of either one making a pass to the top receivers.

We had to have the preliminary QB competition between Quinn and Stanzi. Did the right guy win? Honestly, I do not know.

But I do know this. After only a couple of practices with the #1's... and probably very limited reps at that... Quinn looked pretty damn good when given the opportunity to play with the first string Thursday. Some obvious chemistry/timing issues, but those are to be expected. At least by me.

The ball went were it should have every single time... except one... but that was more on the O-line IMO. Split second longer with some pass protection, and the progression reads leads Quinn right to an easy TD on his left to right read pattern. And I mean split second.

Look. We all know we are going to win games with Cassel at QB. When we can run it for a buck thirty-five or more, you can almost take it to the bank. It is when we are below that line that the problems are.

I'm done stating my opinion. I'm not afraid to be wrong. Quinn is the best QB between he and Cassel. And it is not that close.

lcarus · 09-03-2012, 06:42 PM

The QBOTF for this team is probably in kindergarten right now. Could be that long before we have a true elite QBOTF. This franchise is clueless...

Saccopoo · 09-03-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

The QBOTF for this team is probably in kindergarten right now. Could be that long before we have a true elite QBOTF. This franchise is clueless...

One draft away...

09-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2155651	I think the QB of the future may be on our roster already. Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn. I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week. Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards. Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards. The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills. Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily. The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together. Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players. 3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down. 3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down. 3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured. Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD. That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them. I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.
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09-03-2012, 06:16 PM	#96
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1665912	Quinn has a sprained neck, doesn't he? I wonder how that little detail will play out.
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09-03-2012, 06:17 PM	#97
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7032645	Chiefs QBoTF is not currently on the roster.
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09-03-2012, 06:37 PM	#102
Setsuna Paladin Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Gator Country Casino cash: $10008487	If you want less turnovers, then Cassel is your guy. And that's what anyone with a brain wants so Quinn will never be your guy.
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09-03-2012, 06:38 PM	#103
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2155651	All during the offseason, I was hoping to get either Quinn or Stanzi some reps with the #1's. Didn't happen. Even in drills as far as I can tell. Never did hear of either one making a pass to the top receivers. We had to have the preliminary QB competition between Quinn and Stanzi. Did the right guy win? Honestly, I do not know. But I do know this. After only a couple of practices with the #1's... and probably very limited reps at that... Quinn looked pretty damn good when given the opportunity to play with the first string Thursday. Some obvious chemistry/timing issues, but those are to be expected. At least by me. The ball went were it should have every single time... except one... but that was more on the O-line IMO. Split second longer with some pass protection, and the progression reads leads Quinn right to an easy TD on his left to right read pattern. And I mean split second. Look. We all know we are going to win games with Cassel at QB. When we can run it for a buck thirty-five or more, you can almost take it to the bank. It is when we are below that line that the problems are. I'm done stating my opinion. I'm not afraid to be wrong. Quinn is the best QB between he and Cassel. And it is not that close.
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09-03-2012, 06:42 PM	#104
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $-1839887	The QBOTF for this team is probably in kindergarten right now. Could be that long before we have a true elite QBOTF. This franchise is clueless...
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