Which was most influential

[pimpchief]

Nirvana was absolute garbage. Foo Fighters are pretty good though.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by pimpchief

Nirvana was absolute garbage. Foo Fighters are pretty good though.

Nirvana was hardly garbage. They re-defined an era and sent music in a new direction. To say they were garbage is to know nothing about music beyond when you might have been born.

I'm guessing you're about 20 years old and never bothered to listen to anything made since you were 15.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

Nirvana was hardly garbage.

Not even close to garbage. What a silly statement.

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

They re-defined an era and sent music in a new direction.

Here's were we disagree.

Nirvana was like an angry Cheap Trick. Great songs and a great singer that wrote lyrics that connected with the disaffected.

They didn't break any new ground musically and didn't inspire a trend. I think Green Day had way more influence over Pop/Rock in the 90's than Nirvana but that's partially due to Cobain's suicide.

On a side note, Dave and the Foo's, especially their recent records, have meant exponentially more to me than Nirvana.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Not even close to garbage. What a silly statement.



Here's were we disagree.

Nirvana was like an angry Cheap Trick. Great songs and a great singer that wrote lyrics that connected with the disaffected.

They didn't break any new ground musically and didn't inspire a trend. I think Green Day had way more influence over Pop/Rock in the 90's than Nirvana but that's partially due to Cobain's suicide.

On a side note, Dave and the Foo's, especially their recent records, have meant exponentially more to me than Nirvana.

I respectfully disagree. Nirvana isn't my favorite grunge band from the era but they did start it. They most definately inpsired a trend. Look back at Soundgarden and Pearl Jams popularity before Nirvana. Nothing. After... huge. If you don't credit Nirvana as starting the trend then you weren't paying attention.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

I respectfully disagree. Nirvana isn't my favorite grunge band from the era but they did start it. They most definately inpsired a trend. Look back at Soundgarden and Pearl Jams popularity before Nirvana. Nothing. After... huge. If you don't credit Nirvana as starting the trend then you weren't paying attention.

I had 'Louder Than Love' in 1990, and bought '10' and 'Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge' before Nevermind in 1991.

So when Teen Spirit hit, it was the world COMING TO ME, even more than basking in the emergence of a new trend.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I had 'Louder Than Love' in 1990, and bought '10' and 'Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge' before Nevermind in 1991.

So when Teen Spirit hit, it was the world COMING TO ME, even more than basking in the emergence of a new trend.

I think you're agreeing with me here. Nirvana did stuff before "Nevermind." None of it re-defined music for it's time.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

I think you're agreeing with me here. Nirvana did stuff before "Nevermind." None of it re-defined music for it's time.

Sorry, I thought was bragging about being ahead of the curve.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

Nirvana isn't my favorite grunge band from the era but they did start it.

No, they didn't.

The Seattle sound had been developing for the latter half of the 80's. Bands like Green River, Mudhoney and Soundgarden and so on. Soundgarden's "Badmotorfinger" was released in 1991 as well. The quintessential album of the 90's, IMO was Temple of the Dog, and it was released in 1990.

Pearl Jam was created from the bones of Green River and Mother Love Bone. While I believe that Pearl Jam ecompasses all that is early 90's "Grunge", Nirvana didn't start the trend.

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

They most definately inpsired a trend. Look back at Soundgarden and Pearl Jams popularity before Nirvana. Nothing. After... huge. If you don't credit Nirvana as starting the trend then you weren't paying attention.

Again, I fully disagree. And as far as "paying attention", you couldn't be further from the truth, especially since I began working for Uni in 1993.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, they didn't.

The Seattle sound had been developing for the latter half of the 80's. Bands like Green River, Mudhoney and Soundgarden and so on. Soundgarden's "Badmotorfinger" was released in 1991 as well. The quintessential album of the 90's, IMO was Temple of the Dog, and it was released in 1990.

Pearl Jam was created from the bones of Green River and Mother Love Bone. While I believe that Pearl Jam ecompasses all that is early 90's "Grunge", Nirvana didn't start the trend.



Again, I fully disagree. And as far as "paying attention", you couldn't be further from the truth, especially since I began working for Uni in 1993.

MBL is more of an LA metal sound than Seattle Grunge. Mudhoney was indeed a pioneer, as was TotD, but the sound first emerged on SG's 'Louder than Love' in 1990.

However, until the first showing of Teen Spirit on MTV, those acts were music geeks' little secrets. So Nirvana 'started the era' in the sense of authoritatively announcing its arrival and dominance for the next 5 years. A week before, Guns 'n' Roses were undisputed and deserved cocks of the walk.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

However, until the first showing of Teen Spirit on MTV, those acts were music geeks' little secrets. So Nirvana 'started the era' in the sense of authoritatively announcing its arrival and dominance for the next 5 years. A week before, Guns 'n' Roses were undisputed and deserved cocks of the walk.

And IMO, Nirvana was just an extension of Guns 'N Roses, to the extent that it was about the visuals, the frontman, etc.

They were Cheap Trick for the 90's. And by that, I don't mean to insult Cheap Trick, which is a phenomenal band.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, they didn't.

The Seattle sound had been developing for the latter half of the 80's. Bands like Green River, Mudhoney and Soundgarden and so on. Soundgarden's "Badmotorfinger" was released in 1991 as well. The quintessential album of the 90's, IMO was Temple of the Dog, and it was released in 1990.

Pearl Jam was created from the bones of Green River and Mother Love Bone. While I believe that Pearl Jam ecompasses all that is early 90's "Grunge", Nirvana didn't start the trend.



Again, I fully disagree. And as far as "paying attention", you couldn't be further from the truth, especially since I began working for Uni in 1993.

Yes Nirvana did. I don't care what other bands did before them. Nirvana changed the landscape. Those other bands didn't. It's pretty simple.

Show me where your other examples changed the landscape of music... then or ever.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

Yes Nirvana did. I don't care what other bands did before them. Nirvana changed the landscape. Those other bands didn't. It's pretty simple.

No, they didn't.

You know who changed the "Landscape"? Geffen Records.

Not Nirvana.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

Show me where your other examples changed the landscape of music... then or ever.

The Beatles. Led Zeppelin.

But most importantly, Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss.

Why and who you ask? A&M Records.

I'll leave it up to you who I'm referring to and how it changed the music business forever.