Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start

[Black Bob]

**** you LIAR. It's about Carr and 30% rule ****er

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

**** you LIAR. It's about Carr and 30% rule ****er

Are you really this stupid?

That 30% rule refers to the tender for a FRANCHISE TAG for an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

The 1st round tender they placed on Brandon Carr was a RESTRICTED free agent tender.

You need to educate yourself on the difference between restricted and unrestricted free agents.

In the 2011 free agency period, Carr was a restricted free agent. At that point, the Chiefs are allowed to place a tender on Carr. Carr can negotiate with other teams, but the Chiefs have a right to match any offer. If the Chiefs decide to not match another team's offer, that team must give KC a draft pick that corresponds with the draft pick tender they placed on Carr. In other words, once the chiefs placed a 1st round tender on Carr, any team that wanted to sign Carr while he was a restricted free agent forfeits a 1st round pick to KC.

That tender has absolutely zero bearing on what happens to Carr in the 2012 free agency period, when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. That tender is not what makes Carr an unrestricted free agent. He becomes unrestricted by nature of serving his 4th year in the league.

The 30% stuff that you are talking about is related to a franchise tag tender which is in no way related/tied to the UFA tender. They are two completely different kinds of tenders.

You are an idiot and have wasted several posts arguing with Dane over something you are completely ****ing confused about.

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Are you really this stupid?

That 30% rule refers to the tender for a FRANCHISE TAG for an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

The 1st round tender they placed on Brandon Carr was a RESTRICTED free agent tender.

You need to educate yourself on the difference between restricted and unrestricted free agents.

In the 2011 free agency period, Carr was a restricted free agent. At that point, the Chiefs are allowed to place a tender on Carr. Carr can negotiate with other teams, but the Chiefs have a right to match any offer. If the Chiefs decide to not match another team's offer, that team must give KC a draft pick that corresponds with the draft pick tender they placed on Carr. In other words, once the chiefs placed a 1st round tender on Carr, any team that wanted to sign Carr while he was a restricted free agent forfeits a 1st round pick to KC.

That tender has absolutely zero bearing on what happens to Carr in the 2012 free agency period, when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. That tender is not what makes Carr an unrestricted free agent. He becomes unrestricted by nature of serving his 4th year in the league.

The 30% stuff that you are talking about is related to a franchise tag tender which is in no way related/tied to the UFA tender. They are two completely different kinds of tenders.

You are an idiot and have wasted several posts arguing with Dane over something you are completely ****ing confused about.

Exercise in futility my friend. He will never get it.

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[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Are you really this stupid?

That 30% rule refers to the tender for a FRANCHISE TAG for an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

The 1st round tender they placed on Brandon Carr was a RESTRICTED free agent tender.

You need to educate yourself on the difference between restricted and unrestricted free agents.

In the 2011 free agency period, Carr was a restricted free agent. At that point, the Chiefs are allowed to place a tender on Carr. Carr can negotiate with other teams, but the Chiefs have a right to match any offer. If the Chiefs decide to not match another team's offer, that team must give KC a draft pick that corresponds with the draft pick tender they placed on Carr. In other words, once the chiefs placed a 1st round tender on Carr, any team that wanted to sign Carr while he was a restricted free agent forfeits a 1st round pick to KC.

That tender has absolutely zero bearing on what happens to Carr in the 2012 free agency period, when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. That tender is not what makes Carr an unrestricted free agent. He becomes unrestricted by nature of serving his 4th year in the league.

The 30% stuff that you are talking about is related to a franchise tag tender which is in no way related/tied to the UFA tender. They are two completely different kinds of tenders.

You are an idiot and have wasted several posts arguing with Dane over something you are completely ****ing confused about.

You're an idiot. Read my post. "The 30% rule" has NOTHING to do with TENDERS. The argument was that he had to reach UFA status before we could attempt to resign him bcause the raise he got was over 30% of his 2010 salary. That is called the 30% rule and I posted a link.

Yes, we could have signed to a bigger contract IF a team had offered him a deal and we wanted to match it but that was the only way we could have tried to sign him before March. No one offered and therefore the 30% rule was in effect. In fact it was in effect by the old cba definition for 2011 as part of the new cba agreement.

Dane's argument was that we could resign him and he was ****ing wrong. We never had a shot until he hit the UFA market. The players love this rule. They always have. Sometimes guys even get released because of it. The 30% rule was a different angle I was taking to the same fact.

THE FACT THAT WE COULD NOT RESIGN CARR UNTIL MARCH.

Don't try and spin this. You don't know the whole deal either but, just like Dane, you should. I described it in detail and gave a link you dumb ****. Hell, I even posted a link to the CP discussion about it months ago.

This exactly the sort of thing I am talking about. People don't read around here. There is a whole ****ing section in the cba about the "30 PERCENT RULE."

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Dane's argument was that we could resign him and he was ****ing wrong. We never had a shot until he hit the UFA market. The players love this rule. They always have. Sometimes guys even get released because of it. The 30% rule was a different angle I was taking to the same fact.

No, it wasn't, you ****ing illiterate Mongoloid. This is EXACTLY what I said:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Carr's agent and Pioli could have negotiated a contract, which Carr could have signed the minute the season was over.

It didn't happen.

Now, get back to double-teaming your Mom and favorite Aunt.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, it wasn't, you ****ing illiterate Mongoloid. This is EXACTLY what I said:



Now, get back to double-teaming your Mom and favorite Aunt.

This just in ****tard...

They couldn't have signed a contract when the season was over. That's the point idiot.

He would have had to wait until the free agency period began in March. Get a ****ing clue.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

This just in ****tard...

They couldn't have signed a contract when the season was over. That's the point idiot.

He would have had to wait until the free agency period began in March. Get a ****ing clue.

Seriously, ARE YOU ILLITERATE?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Carr's agent and Pioli could have negotiated a contract, which Carr could have signed the minute the season was over.

It didn't happen.

HOW MANY ****ING TIMES DO I NEED TO POST THIS QUOTE?

The "Season" isn't over until the day before Free Agency begins, you ****ing nitwit.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

**** your face palm. Don't just avoid it. You weren't born a mongloid but you are one after that donkey punch.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously, ARE YOU ILLITERATE?



HOW MANY ****ING TIMES DO I NEED TO POST THIS QUOTE?

I see. You are to stupid to understand.

The season is over the first week of February.

Free agency begins in March.

You have no idea what you are talking about. He couldn't have signed shit the second the season was over.

Go educate yourself dumb ****.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

You're an idiot. Read my post. "The 30% rule" has NOTHING to do with TENDERS. The argument was that he had to reach UFA status before we could attempt to resign him bcause the raise he got was over 30% of his 2010 salary. That is called the 30% rule and I posted a link.

Yes, we could have signed to a bigger contract IF a team had offered him a deal and we wanted to match it but that was the only way we could have tried to sign him before March. No one offered and therefore the 30% rule was in effect. In fact it was in effect by the old cba definition for 2011 as part of the new cba agreement.

Dane's argument was that we could resign him and he was ****ing wrong. We never had a shot until he hit the UFA market. The players love this rule. They always have. Sometimes guys even get released because of it. The 30% rule was a different angle I was taking to the same fact.

THE FACT THAT WE COULD NOT RESIGN CARR UNTIL MARCH.

Don't try and spin this. You don't know the whole deal either but, just like Dane, you should. I described it in detail and gave a link you dumb ****. Hell, I even posted a link to the CP discussion about it months ago.

This exactly the sort of thing I am talking about. People don't read around here. There is a whole ****ing section in the cba about the "30 PERCENT RULE."

There is nothing in the CBA that says that a player has to become a free agent if he receives a 30% raise.

You provided 2 links. One was about franchise tags and entirely irrelevant. The second link was to the actual CBA. I challenge you to show me the portion that says a player has to become a FA once he receives a 30% raise. To make it easier for you, the 30% rules are listed in article 13, section 7.

The only thing it states is that a renegotiation cannot contain annual base increases of 30% above the base of the final year of the existing contract.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jspchief

There is nothing in the CBA that says that a player has to become a free agent if he receives a 30% raise.

You provided 2 links. One was about franchise tags and entirely irrelevant. The second link was to the actual CBA. I challenge you to show me the portion that says a player has to become a FA once he receives a 30% raise. To make it easier for you, the 30% rules are listed in article 13, section 7.

The only thing it states is that a renegotiation cannot contain annual base increases of 30% above the base of the final year of the existing contract.

This guy HAS to be a troll or joke account. Seriously.

No one is this ****ing dumb.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This guy HAS to be a troll or joke account. Seriously.

No one is this ****ing dumb.

He keeps claiming he has provided links to back up his stupid ****ing comments, yet none of his links actually say shit about what he is trying to claim.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by jspchief

He keeps claiming he has provided links to back up his stupid ****ing comments, yet none of his links actually say shit about what he is trying to claim.

Clay has a metric ****-ton of spare time...