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Old 11-02-2012, 10:14 AM   #1
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I used to believe in the mid round developmental QB. I don't anymore. I also don't think you can win anything in this league without a plus player at QB, given all the rule changes. That means you do what you have to get one.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:41 AM   #2
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I used to believe in the mid round developmental QB. I don't anymore. I also don't think you can win anything in this league without a plus player at QB, given all the rule changes. That means you do what you have to get one.
I still think that can be done. But you have to have a franchise QB in place as well as someone that can identify properties that they must have and whether the negatives can be overcome. Then you can draft that player in the 3rd or so and bring them along. If it doesn't look like that is going to be possible then you also have to be willing to cut bait with that player and do it again.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:43 PM   #3
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I think fans sometimes set their expectations up too high for a 1st round QB. There are very, very few "elite" QB prospects. Guys like Elway, Manning, etc...once a generation type players. Most of the time its a Drew Bledsoe or Kerry Collins, and thats ok. Just because there might not be "Elite" in the year your in position, shouldnt be a deterrent from drafting those types of prospects if you have a true need for a QB. YOu can win with those guys as well if the right support system is in place.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:36 PM   #4
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I think fans sometimes set their expectations up too high for a 1st round QB. There are very, very few "elite" QB prospects.
That may have been true 30 years ago but it's not true today. College QB's no longer need a year or two on the bench to get up to the NFL's speed of play.

You're seeing it more and more with guys like Flacco, Rothlisberger, Rivers, Manning, Newton, Dalton, Luck, Griffen, Tannehill and so on.

That trend will only continue, not get worse.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:37 PM   #5
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That may have been true 30 years ago but it's not true today. College QB's no longer need a year or two on the bench to get up to the NFL's speed of play.

You're seeing it more and more with guys like Flacco, Rothlisberger, Rivers, Manning, Newton, Dalton, Luck, Griffen, Tannehill and so on.

That trend will only continue, not get worse.
Yup. The importance of the sport in general has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 25 years to the point where athletes that used to play baseball and basketball are identified earlier and earlier as football prospects and more specifically quarterbacks, receivers, corners and tight ends.

It's also how the college game and pro game is now played. A "spread" used to be a gimmick where now it's almost a base package and a big part of a pro offense. It also has a lot to do with the rule changes over the last few years as well, that is probably the actual catalyst of the new NFL. Quarterbacks used to be graded much higher if they were from a pro set offense, and still are to a degree, but that is lessening the more the wide open passing game runs the NFL.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:51 PM   #6
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Cassel and Quinn get killed because they hold the ball too ****ing long. Anyone can see that.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:56 PM   #7
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I got an idea. **** this talk about a 1st round pick and 1st overall pick, how about we pick someone that we aren't the only one coveting in the first round.

If we could do that with our picks, I think we'd be alright.

drafting Geno Smith #1 overall doesn't make any sense if nobody wants him in the first round. (I'm not speaking as to his draft worthiness, I just see a whole lot of we'll draft him one and expect that because he was drafted 1st overall he's going to be the next Joe Montana.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:57 PM   #8
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The cost of drafting a top 3 pick that's a QB is about 1/3 what it use to be.

Draft one this year.

Next year.

The year after.

Draft them 9 years in a row until we find "that guy."
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:59 PM   #9
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The cost of drafting a top 3 pick that's a QB is about 1/3 what it use to be.

Draft one this year.

Next year.

The year after.

Draft them 9 years in a row until we find "that guy."
9 years later, we'll have a hell of a quarterback with noone to throw to, no protection, and no defense.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:36 PM   #10
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9 years later, we'll have a hell of a quarterback with noone to throw to, no protection, and no defense.
It's one pick a year.

If our GM couldn't find 6 other players, over 9 years, worth starting It's not my strategy that's the problem...
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:55 PM   #12
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The cost of drafting a top 3 pick that's a QB is about 1/3 what it use to be.

Draft one this year.

Next year.

The year after.

Draft them 9 years in a row until we find "that guy."
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The thing is... nobody can predict what anyone is going to be until they get their chance with a decent sample size.

Anyone who has turned out to be good has taken advantage of their chance.
They either make it or they don't.

The smart thing to do is to just keep cycling through QB's until you find the one who is going to make the most out of his chance.
Matt Cassel had WAY too long.
Brady Quinn is shitting the bed and being a pussy. Move on.
Stanzi we have no clue, he needs a few games.
Draft 2 QB's and find out what they have.
Give them two years to make mistakes and learn from them.

You don't need to give a QB 4 years to see what they have.

It's best to draft a QB every draft. It's the most important position in football.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:59 PM   #14
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Make a play for Ryan Mallet ...

Seriously though, you're next starting QB doesn't have to be a #1 overall pick - likely better if it's not that way anyhow.
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Make a play for Ryan Mallet ...

Seriously though, you're next starting QB doesn't have to be a #1 overall pick - likely better if it's not that way anyhow.
We could always fall ass over tea kettle into Peyton ****ing Manning
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