Installing a passenger side mirror?

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Explain that to the software and engineers educating the robots on how to build a new car every 4 years, and the people that have to build and place those machines into the factories for them to being production, or the teams of people that remove said machines 15 minutes after the last car of that model design rolled off the floor, to make way for the new units to being production of the new cars that are mostly built by robots.

Yep, same industry from first half of the 19xx's.

JFC making a business more efficient by improving manufacturing techniques is not new nor does it change the fact that we have been mass producing automobiles for over a century. Refining the automobiles that we make because we have been making them for so long doesn't make it a new industry either.

Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse now.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by KC native

JFC making a business more efficient by improving manufacturing techniques is not new nor does it change the fact that we have been mass producing automobiles for over a century. Refining the automobiles that we make because we have been making them for so long doesn't make it a new industry either.

Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse now.

Doesn't take away from the fact that you made an error in judgement making that statement.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Doesn't take away from the fact that you made an error in judgement making that statement.

You are ****ing stupid.

Would you say that the automotive industry life cycle is at

A) infancy

B) adolescence

C) maturity

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by KC native

You are ****ing stupid.

Would you say that the automotive industry life cycle is at

A) infancy

B) adolescence

C) maturity

I think my favorite part of this thread is watching the "Mexican" (who is in the financial industry) beat up on the "professional" auto mechanic.

Oh and NO, Exotar, Hootie did NOT use the word ENTITLED incorrectly. He pretty much nailed its usage.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I think my favorite part of this thread is watching the "Mexican" (who is in the financial industry) beat up on the "professional" auto mechanic.

Oh and NO, Exotar, Hootie did NOT use the word ENTITLED incorrectly. He pretty much nailed its usage.

No, no he did not.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

No, no he did not.

Well, you're going to have a fun, long time arguing with AC. I think he just might be pretty opinionated. And it kind of seems like maybe you are too.

Enjoy.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Well, you're going to have a fun, long time arguing with AC. I think he just might be pretty opinionated. And it kind of seems like maybe you are too.

Enjoy.

HA, this one won't take long. Besides not much left to say in this thread that hasn't been said by others.

But I will take the time to explain why Hootie used the term "entitled" correctly.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Well, you're going to have a fun, long time arguing with AC. I think he just might be pretty opinionated. And it kind of seems like maybe you are too.

Enjoy.

Oh I definitely am opinionated, of that everyone should be sure of.

However, he simply did not use the word correctly for what he was trying to describe, based off of the argument we were having. Nor did it accurately reflect the work he was describing by comparison, with any virtue towards their completion.

Only that he likes Mexicans because they aren't entitled and greedy.

Entitled, in this case, has no place, as the argument of entitlement is unfounded in the argument.

If he wants to broadly generalize Americans as entitled, there isn't the argument to make that statement in, as the entitlement issue has no footing without reason, and without reason there is no real argument.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

No, no he did not.

I know one industry well and that is the restaurant industry. The best cooks were ALL Mexican...the ones who weren't never lasted. They wouldn't do that work for that pay. However, the best of the best were making $19-$20 an hour (had been there for 20 years)...

I would pay a Mexican $15 an hour to be a cook at my restaurant before I'd pay a white or a black person $10 an hour. They bust their ****ing asses and do things more efficiently and better than the new age entitled American worker.

I used to bust my ass too...but I appreciated the fact the only reason I made the $$$ I did was because of the Mexican's who did all of the shitty work in the back (dishes, cook, bussing) and did it so well it allowed the restaurant to run efficiently. If we replaced those 30 Mexican's with 30 legal American's who would refuse to do the work that was asked of them the restaurant would be closed in a month.

I'm sure this very same thing occurs in the auto industry. Are these mexican cooks as good as a cullinary trained chef? hell ****ing no.

Do I think the mexican on the corner is a good bet to fix my transmission when it has issues? Probably not.

do I lose sleep for putting it to 'the man' when I pay a street mexican $20 to fix something as easy as a side mirror rather than pay $95 for an hour of labor on something that doesn't mean a whole lot to me? Nope.

I respect the **** out of the working Mexican in the country. I don't care if they are "taking jobs"...because generally, at least in my old field (and even really in hotels with housekeeping as well) they are taking jobs that they CHERISH and WORK HARD AT without complaining and do 100 X better than the typical working class American.

the 20-30 year old American worker is a lazy ****ing piece of shit now...especially the ones with no schooling...there are exceptions to every rule but if I ever owned a business that needed blue collar working I would pay more money and hire mexicans then pay less money and hire white/blacks

I'm not doing it for the cheap labor...I'm doing it because they get the job done.

5 years ago the local McDonalds was total shit...quality was terrible, ****ed up every order...miserable place. Owner upped wages and hired a shit ton of mexicans and now it has to be the best McDonalds I've ever been to.

there is not a single working class person I respect more than the blue collar working mexican

until they get all domesticated and start becoming entitled like the blue collar working American

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Abort. Abort.


You're in over your head.

He'll start throwing words at you that are made up and make you think you know them.

I don't think HE knows what he is in for, Debate is my forte!

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I know one industry well and that is the restaurant industry. The best cooks were ALL Mexican...the ones who weren't never lasted. They wouldn't do that work for that pay. However, the best of the best were making $19-$20 an hour (had been there for 20 years)...

I would pay a Mexican $15 an hour to be a cook at my restaurant before I'd pay a white or a black person $10 an hour. They bust their ****ing asses and do things more efficiently and better than the new age entitled American worker.

I used to bust my ass too...but I appreciated the fact the only reason I made the $$$ I did was because of the Mexican's who did all of the shitty work in the back (dishes, cook, bussing) and did it so well it allowed the restaurant to run efficiently. If we replaced those 30 Mexican's with 30 legal American's who would refuse to do the work that was asked of them the restaurant would be closed in a month.

I'm sure this very same thing occurs in the auto industry. Are these mexican cooks as good as a cullinary trained chef? hell ****ing no.

Do I think the mexican on the corner is a good bet to fix my transmission when it has issues? Probably not.

do I lose sleep for putting it to 'the man' when I pay a street mexican $20 to fix something as easy as a side mirror rather than pay $95 for an hour of labor on something that doesn't mean a whole lot to me? Nope.

I respect the **** out of the working Mexican in the country. I don't care if they are "taking jobs"...because generally, at least in my old field (and even really in hotels with housekeeping as well) they are taking jobs that they CHERISH and WORK HARD AT without complaining and do 100 X better than the typical working class American.

the 20-30 year old American worker is a lazy ****ing piece of shit now...especially the ones with no schooling...there are exceptions to every rule but if I ever owned a business that needed blue collar working I would pay more money and hire mexicans then pay less money and hire white/blacks

I'm not doing it for the cheap labor...I'm doing it because they get the job done.

5 years ago the local McDonalds was total shit...quality was terrible, ****ed up every order...miserable place. Owner upped wages and hired a shit ton of mexicans and now it has to be the best McDonalds I've ever been to.

there is not a single working class person I respect more than the blue collar working mexican

until they get all domesticated and start becoming entitled like the blue collar working American

I'm not reading this, but you're racist, stupid, and a liberal from the sounds of it.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

No, no he did not.

Let's take a look...

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I love mexicans because they work hard and aren't entitled...like us greedy Americans.

best blue collar workers in the country

Originally Posted by The Dictionary

Entitled : qualified for or allowed or worthy of being chosen

Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...

Originally Posted by People with brains who understand words

a belief that one is deserving a particular reward or benefit

The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Let's take a look...




Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...



The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

FWIW, had he probably have put the word feel in front of entitled and none of this would be necessary.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Let's take a look...




Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...



The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

Your argument works very well, if you don't take the context of the argument into consideration.

He's saying he likes Mexicans more, because they aren't going to charge you for having insurance, for being liable for damages, and taking RESPONSIBILITY for their work.

Entitled does not fit that description, nor his argument.

He says Americans are Entitled, when the Word entitled is NOT synonymous with Responsible.

What he meant to say is responsible, but he'd heave felt like an idiot for saying that, because it isn't what he meant. The issue stems from his lack of understanding the business model, and misrepresenting the work done cheaper, as them not being entitled. When in all actuality, the work isn't done cheaper because they aren't entitled.

The work is being done cheaper because they aren't LIABLE.


1 point, Exoter.

Next argument please.