Installing a passenger side mirror?

[Hootie]

some dipshit kicked/punched my side mirror off and I had to go to ebay to buy a replacement...

I am not savvy enough (I'm a dipshit) to install it myself and I am getting a little bit of work done tomorrow at an auto shop and I'm going to bring the mirror with me and ask them to install it for me...

how much should I be expecting them to charge me for that labor since I have already bought the part?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

No, no he did not.

I know one industry well and that is the restaurant industry. The best cooks were ALL Mexican...the ones who weren't never lasted. They wouldn't do that work for that pay. However, the best of the best were making $19-$20 an hour (had been there for 20 years)...

I would pay a Mexican $15 an hour to be a cook at my restaurant before I'd pay a white or a black person $10 an hour. They bust their ****ing asses and do things more efficiently and better than the new age entitled American worker.

I used to bust my ass too...but I appreciated the fact the only reason I made the $$$ I did was because of the Mexican's who did all of the shitty work in the back (dishes, cook, bussing) and did it so well it allowed the restaurant to run efficiently. If we replaced those 30 Mexican's with 30 legal American's who would refuse to do the work that was asked of them the restaurant would be closed in a month.

I'm sure this very same thing occurs in the auto industry. Are these mexican cooks as good as a cullinary trained chef? hell ****ing no.

Do I think the mexican on the corner is a good bet to fix my transmission when it has issues? Probably not.

do I lose sleep for putting it to 'the man' when I pay a street mexican $20 to fix something as easy as a side mirror rather than pay $95 for an hour of labor on something that doesn't mean a whole lot to me? Nope.

I respect the **** out of the working Mexican in the country. I don't care if they are "taking jobs"...because generally, at least in my old field (and even really in hotels with housekeeping as well) they are taking jobs that they CHERISH and WORK HARD AT without complaining and do 100 X better than the typical working class American.

the 20-30 year old American worker is a lazy ****ing piece of shit now...especially the ones with no schooling...there are exceptions to every rule but if I ever owned a business that needed blue collar working I would pay more money and hire mexicans then pay less money and hire white/blacks

I'm not doing it for the cheap labor...I'm doing it because they get the job done.

5 years ago the local McDonalds was total shit...quality was terrible, ****ed up every order...miserable place. Owner upped wages and hired a shit ton of mexicans and now it has to be the best McDonalds I've ever been to.

there is not a single working class person I respect more than the blue collar working mexican

until they get all domesticated and start becoming entitled like the blue collar working American

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Definitely in a realm between its infancy and its adolescence. I say this with respect to the age of every other industry out there, which you don't seem to be doing, or seem to be ignorant of.

There are few industries "younger" than the automotive industry, if you take the time to actually think about it.

We have been in a consolidation phase for automakers for quite awhile. Would you like to revisit your characterization of what stage the automotive industry is again?

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Abort. Abort.


You're in over your head.

He'll start throwing words at you that are made up and make you think you know them.

I don't think HE knows what he is in for, Debate is my forte!

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I know one industry well and that is the restaurant industry. The best cooks were ALL Mexican...the ones who weren't never lasted. They wouldn't do that work for that pay. However, the best of the best were making $19-$20 an hour (had been there for 20 years)...

I would pay a Mexican $15 an hour to be a cook at my restaurant before I'd pay a white or a black person $10 an hour. They bust their ****ing asses and do things more efficiently and better than the new age entitled American worker.

I used to bust my ass too...but I appreciated the fact the only reason I made the $$$ I did was because of the Mexican's who did all of the shitty work in the back (dishes, cook, bussing) and did it so well it allowed the restaurant to run efficiently. If we replaced those 30 Mexican's with 30 legal American's who would refuse to do the work that was asked of them the restaurant would be closed in a month.

I'm sure this very same thing occurs in the auto industry. Are these mexican cooks as good as a cullinary trained chef? hell ****ing no.

Do I think the mexican on the corner is a good bet to fix my transmission when it has issues? Probably not.

do I lose sleep for putting it to 'the man' when I pay a street mexican $20 to fix something as easy as a side mirror rather than pay $95 for an hour of labor on something that doesn't mean a whole lot to me? Nope.

I respect the **** out of the working Mexican in the country. I don't care if they are "taking jobs"...because generally, at least in my old field (and even really in hotels with housekeeping as well) they are taking jobs that they CHERISH and WORK HARD AT without complaining and do 100 X better than the typical working class American.

the 20-30 year old American worker is a lazy ****ing piece of shit now...especially the ones with no schooling...there are exceptions to every rule but if I ever owned a business that needed blue collar working I would pay more money and hire mexicans then pay less money and hire white/blacks

I'm not doing it for the cheap labor...I'm doing it because they get the job done.

5 years ago the local McDonalds was total shit...quality was terrible, ****ed up every order...miserable place. Owner upped wages and hired a shit ton of mexicans and now it has to be the best McDonalds I've ever been to.

there is not a single working class person I respect more than the blue collar working mexican

until they get all domesticated and start becoming entitled like the blue collar working American

I'm not reading this, but you're racist, stupid, and a liberal from the sounds of it.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by KC native

We have been in a consolidation phase for automakers for quite awhile. Would you like to revisit your characterization of what stage the automotive industry is again?

So, because we are in a consolidation phase, my answer is incorrect?

You previously referenced that we've been making cars for over a hundred years now, as if the Industry's age is some kind of inclination towards its infancy, adolescence or maturity.

Do I need to reference a much, much older industry for you to understand the bigger picture?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

No, no he did not.

Let's take a look...

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I love mexicans because they work hard and aren't entitled...like us greedy Americans.

best blue collar workers in the country

Originally Posted by The Dictionary

Entitled : qualified for or allowed or worthy of being chosen

Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...

Originally Posted by People with brains who understand words

a belief that one is deserving a particular reward or benefit

The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by KC native

We have been in a consolidation phase for automakers for quite awhile. Would you like to revisit your characterization of what stage the automotive industry is again?

Depends how you would like to characterize the automobile industry. In its infancy is alternative fuels, in it's decline are fossil fuel methods.

[Hootie]

liberal?!?!

I have no political beliefs.

Check that...

as long as I can wake up, jerk off, play xbox, drink, have sex with random girls if I am lucky enough I don't give a shit about politics...

wake me up when I make more than $40K a year and don't spend all of my money on bar tabs and dirty sluts

so the next time I vote (which will be the first time), it'll be for a guy who guarantees me xbox and jerk off lube...that's something I can truly get behind

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Abort. Abort.


You're in over your head.

He'll start throwing words at you that are made up and make you think you know them.

Shut up you nirstabibulator!

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Let's take a look...




Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...



The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

FWIW, had he probably have put the word feel in front of entitled and none of this would be necessary.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Shut up you nirstabibulator!

I only did that once and it was for a hell of a lot of money.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Let's take a look...




Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...



The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

Your argument works very well, if you don't take the context of the argument into consideration.

He's saying he likes Mexicans more, because they aren't going to charge you for having insurance, for being liable for damages, and taking RESPONSIBILITY for their work.

Entitled does not fit that description, nor his argument.

He says Americans are Entitled, when the Word entitled is NOT synonymous with Responsible.

What he meant to say is responsible, but he'd heave felt like an idiot for saying that, because it isn't what he meant. The issue stems from his lack of understanding the business model, and misrepresenting the work done cheaper, as them not being entitled. When in all actuality, the work isn't done cheaper because they aren't entitled.

The work is being done cheaper because they aren't LIABLE.


1 point, Exoter.

Next argument please.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

FWIW, he probably have put the word feel in front of entitled and none of this would be necessary.

True but his meaning was still conveyed and again.. that is the purpose of words. So I don't see how he used the word incorrectly. Exotar can say that it isn't true but would be hard pressed to say that his meaning wasn't apparent.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Depends how you would like to characterize the automobile industry. In its infancy is alternative fuels, in it's decline are fossil fuel methods.

Not to mention the industry is BARELY a hundred years old, and that doesn't even apply to the mass production of automobiles yet.

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

liberal?!?!

I have no political beliefs.

Check that...

as long as I can wake up, jerk off, play xbox, drink, have sex with random girls if I am lucky enough I don't give a shit about politics...

wake me up when I make more than $40K a year and don't spend all of my money on bar tabs and dirty sluts

so the next time I vote (which will be the first time), it'll be for a guy who guarantees me xbox and jerk off lube...that's something I can truly get behind

You just described a liberal.

Originally Posted by J Diddy

FWIW, had he probably have put the word feel in front of entitled and none of this would be necessary.

The placement of words in a sentence, or lack thereof, can be very helpful....or detrimental.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

True but his meaning was still conveyed and again.. that is the purpose of words. So I don't see how he used the word incorrectly. Exotar can say that it isn't true but would be hard pressed to say that his meaning wasn't apparent.

I just schooled the shit out of your "take" on my claim that he misused it.

Might want to go back and argue it, or admit defeat.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

liberal?!?!

I have no political beliefs.

Check that...

as long as I can wake up, jerk off, play xbox, drink, have sex with random girls if I am lucky enough I don't give a shit about politics...

wake me up when I make more than $40K a year and don't spend all of my money on bar tabs and dirty sluts

so the next time I vote (which will be the first time), it'll be for a guy who guarantees me xbox and jerk off lube...that's something I can truly get behind

Rest assured when I say you won't be voting for me. There's now way in hell I hand a guy a bottle of jerk off lube for the purpose of getting him to get behind me.