Ned Yost Hate Thread

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

BS, alnorth and you know that.

I'm assuming we're excluding gameday decisions like not throwing 130 pitches, and not bunting in the 3rd inning.

Excluding that, these guys have played baseball for decades. There's not a new offensive or defensive philosophy to unlearn and relearn like in the other major sports, baseball is baseball. There's not much for the manager to do.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I'm assuming we're excluding gameday decisions like not throwing 130 pitches, and not bunting in the 3rd inning.

Excluding that, these guys have played baseball for decades. There's not a new offensive or defensive philosophy to unlearn and relearn like in the other major sports, baseball is baseball. There's not much for the manager to do.

WTF would I be excluding game day decisions when most of what I pointed out is just that?

Batting your worst hitter, or one of your worst, in the leadoff spot? Bad
Moving the best leadoff hitter in the AL out of that spot? Bad
Pulling your stud ace in a 1-0 shutout for a weak Pen? Bad


The list goes on. Ned is not a good game manager and it costs us. Is he working with the best lineup in baseball? No

Does he have an impact on the attitude and mentality of this team? Most certainly


I mean, come on, al.....WTF sends up a guy who has never seen a ML pitch to bat as the tying run in the bottom of the 8th inning when you have a veteran on the bench who has also hit your teams' last 2 hr's???

I mean ****ing seriously!?!?!?!? That move in and of itself is a ****ing microcosm of what Yost is.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

WTF would I be excluding game day decisions when most of what I pointed out is just that?

Batting your worst hitter, or one of your worst, in the leadoff spot? Bad
Moving the best leadoff hitter in the AL out of that spot? Bad
Pulling your stud ace in a 1-0 shutout for a weak Pen? Bad

You were talking about "leadership", which is kinda vague hand-wavy nonsense to me.

If we're talking about game decisions, then we're back to, at most, a fraction of one expected loss that you can probably pin on Ned.

[alnorth]

Just so I'm clear, I don't think Ned is a great manager. Not awful either, but not great. I'm kinda irritated with the teflon status that every GM seems to have in baseball.

Fans of every team massively overrate the importance of the baseball manager, which in and of itself isn't bad unless it leads to people wanting a meaningless manager firing while not saying hardly anything about the GM.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You were talking about "leadership", which is kinda vague hand-wavy nonsense to me.

If we're talking about game decisions, then we're back to, at most, a fraction of one expected loss that you can probably pin on Ned.

Yost may not be "the reason" we have lost some of these games. But he certainly has made some less than good decisions that pushed the odds extremely against us winning. How is that?

I mean, he sends up Moore instead of Tejada today. Would Tejada have come through for sure? We can't say. Does Tejada have a better chance at pinch hitting in a pressure situation than a kid who hasn't seen 1 ML pitch this season? Most certainly.

What did Yost do? Went with the decision that put the odds against us in a major way.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

But he certainly has made some less than good decisions that pushed the odds extremely against us winning.

I wouldn't say extremely, or we'd be at several expected losses, which just isn't the case.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I wouldn't say extremely, or we'd be at several expected losses, which just isn't the case.

I'd expect us to lose less if he made better decisions. How is that?

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'd expect us to lose less if he made better decisions. How is that?

Unfortunately, we're looking so bad now, that I don't think it'll matter. If we were to miss the playoffs by one or two games, the post-mortem would get interesting.