Where does eveyone stand on smoking bans?

[RNR]

I think it should be up to the owner, and would even be willing to have it up to the owner if you have to be 21 to enter. City wide is bullshit IMO

[1ChiefsDan]

Originally Posted by KC2004

Being a manager of a bar in NE Missouri I can tell you if they do ban smoking in bars we will be out of business in 6 months of the ban. 95% of our business is
smokers and the other 5% don't seem to mind it. The only thing we can do is go private and charge our patrons a fee to get in if they have the ban and thats not the answer.

I still see plenty of bars here in Colorado and the smoking ban has been in effect for more than 6 months.

Your perception is not reality.

[KC2004]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

What neither side of the fence seems to realize is that no mater what, somebody loses.

A non-smoker is inconvenienced by either having to choose a smoke-free establishment, or inhaling and smelling like smoke, as well as a health hazard they didn't sign up for.

A smoker is inconvenienced by either having to choose an establishment that allows smoking, or being asked to step outside the building to smoke.

Well from what I know you have to step 20 feet out the building which is more then likely the street and smoke which in itself is illegal.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I haven't read this thread, but I am getting real sick of the government getting more involved in what people can and cannot do.


Less government is better government, pretty simple.

agreed ..... but smoking is invasive


if someone was walking around with a tank of toxic gas that was leaking and making people sick, would you want somebody to stop them?

walk into a resturant to eat ... leaking toxic gas .... if everyone in the resturant gets sick, then it's their own dam fault for breathing in a public place?

[KC2004]

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

I still see plenty of bars here in Colorado and the smoking ban has been in effect for more than 6 months.

Your perception is not reality.

Well your perception of Colorado and Missouri is different. I've worked this bar for 6 years and know my patrons. So your opinion means nil. So until you come to my bar in Missouri you have no clue.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by milkman Jr

Neither can children. So what do you think of my proposal to ban kids from restaurants and theatres, really all public places, say under the age of 8.

I'm all for proprietors throwing people out who can't keep to themselves. If that's because of kids, or a drunk buddy, or whatever.

Sadly the first guy that does that is going to get sued into oblivion.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

So you are ok with the rights of a owner to be allowed to run his own place as he wants taken away? What other rights are you willing to give up?

And there it is, HOME ****ing RUN.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

I love the dumb ****ers like you that always come back to "their not forced to work there".

**** you - some choose that lifestyle - many it is the only job they can get.

If it was up to assholes like you children would still be working in coal mines.

Go douse yourself in gas and light up.

You equate an adult working in a bar with smokers to children working in coal mines. What a fucking moron you are. You should come to Union Station in Chicago sometime. You can no longer smoke cigarettes on the train platforms, but it's A-OK to breathe in the diesel fumes of 20 locomotives. Your asthmatic ass would have a field day in there. Or perhaps we should ban trains, on the off chance that you may drive within 100 miles of Chicago some day and MIGHT have your car window down? You really seem to have very high opinion of yourself and the places you just might one day visit.

And if the only job you can get, ALL YOUR LIFE, is in some goddamn bar, well, I'm sorry to say that you're a LOSER, and your life's not really worth a shit anyway, so it probably doesn't matter when or if you die from inhaling anybody else's smoke or not.

Take a bow, dipshit.

[1ChiefsDan]

Originally Posted by KC2004

Well from what I know you have to step 20 feet out the building which is more then likely the street and smoke which in itself is illegal.

Not true in my experience. You have be a certain distance away from entrances (in all of the laws/regulations I have read). They don't say you have to be a certain distance away from the building.

[KC2004]

Originally Posted by Laz

agreed ..... but smoking is invasive


if someone was walking around with a tank of toxic gas that was leaking and making people sick, would you want somebody to stop them?

walk into a resturant to eat ... leaking toxic gas .... if everyone in the resturant gets sick, then it's their own dam fault for breathing in a public place?

I have a lunch crowd that comes in my bar and if I know the patron is a non-smoker I myself will refrain from smoking till they have finished their lunch and left. Common courtesy goes a long ways.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by KC2004

Well your perception of Colorado and Missouri is different. I've worked this bar for 6 years and know my patrons. So your opinion means nil. So until you come to my bar in Missouri you have no clue.

I would be shocked as hell if they all just went home and drank alone. They're at the bar now because they want to be social.

Charge them $5 for a laminated "lifetime membership" card and move on if it's a huge deal.

[KC2004]

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

Not true in my experience. You have be a certain distance away from entrances (in all of the laws/regulations I have read). They don't say you have to be a certain distance away from the building.

Well in Quincy ILL you have to be 20ft away. So I guess you dont know everything.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by KC2004

I have a lunch crowd that comes in my bar and if I know the patron is a non-smoker I myself will refrain from smoking till they have finished their lunch and left. Common courtesy goes a long ways.

Would you say that you are the exception or the rule?

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by KC2004

I have a lunch crowd that comes in my bar and if I know the patron is a non-smoker I myself will refrain from smoking till they have finished their lunch and left. Common courtesy goes a long ways.

In my experience very, very few smokers are this courteous.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Laz

agreed ..... but smoking is invasive


if someone was walking around with a tank of toxic gas that was leaking and making people sick, would you want somebody to stop them?

walk into a resturant to eat ... leaking toxic gas .... if everyone in the resturant gets sick, then it's their own dam fault for breathing in a public place?

Then you do not agree. If it bothered me that much, I would chose an establishment that provides the atmosphere I want. But to say an owner cannot provide the atmosphere he wants, is too restrictive and is taking away a right.

I am no longer a smoker, but I don't want someones rights taken away.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by KC2004

I have a lunch crowd that comes in my bar and if I know the patron is a non-smoker I myself will refrain from smoking till they have finished their lunch and left. Common courtesy goes a long ways.

that's cool

like i said, i don't get a dam what you put into your body ..... just don't dump it on me.


that said if a Bar wants to label itself a "smoking bar" ... it's fine with me i guess.