Rumor: Redskins prepared to offer at least 4 picks for the #2 pick.

[The Franchise]

www.Rotoworld.com

Teams sources tell NBC Philadelphia's Howard Eskin the Redskins are prepared to offer the Rams their top three 2012 picks and "at least" their 2013 first-round pick to move up to draft Baylor QB Robert Griffin III.

If true, it would be a positively Ricky Williams-ian haul for the Rams, who saw the value of their No. 2 pick increase even further on Sunday when Griffin was unofficially timed at a blazing 4.38 in the 40 at the Combine. Eskin's report comes two days after SI.com's Tony Pauline reported the Rams have engaged in "exploratory talks" with the Redskins about a swap. Source: Howard Eskin on Twitter

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There are 5-6 players in the league right now who are "franchise QBs." When I say franchise, I mean a QB who can carry a mediocre team to the Super Bowl. Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady, Brees, Peyton (who is slipping out of that group). Arguably Eli, though it's debatable if he could do this without the very good Giants team that surrounds him. That's consistent with every generation. At most, you typically only have 5 who fall in that category.

Let's look at 1998-2010 (skipped the last 3 drafts, because they haven't had enough time to develop into franchise QBs yet). 32 first round QBs drafted during that time. If you count Eli, that means you have a 4 in 32 chance to draft a franchise QB with a first round pick (16% chance, for those counting).

Like I said, if you're monumentally lucky, you end up with a Peyton QB. Luck is probably that guy. If you do well, you end up with Matt Ryan. RGIII is probably more Ryan than he is Luck. If I'm Peyton Manning, sure, I don't care if we bring no young talent in the next 3 years. If I'm Matt Ryan, I need those next 3 drafts to put my team over the top. Betting on the 20% chance you get Peyton instead of building a team around the 80% chance you get Matt Ryan is a very, very bad calculated decision.

Not only do you randomly pull numbers out of your ass, the numbers you pull out of your ass aren't even correct even if they had any type of validity. How does a 4 in 32 chance equate to 16%? (For those of us capable of counting, a 4 in 32 chance equates to 12.5%.)

Obviously, my math is a bit fuzzy, but could you please enlighten me as to the Chiefs probability of winning a Super Bowl the past NINETEEN years when they didn't win a single playoff game?

Speaking of very, very bad calculated decisions, you do understand that each and every pick in the draft is a risk--from the number one pick all the way down to Mr. Irrelevant. Only ~80% of draft picks are with thier team on opening day--of course that number is higher for higher round draft picks, but they are still a risk of being a bust.

You mitigate risk by doing your homework. If you are a franchise QB away from being a Super Bowl contender, then I think it is time to take the BIG risk of getting that FRANCHISE QB. I've been on the RG3 bandwagon from the get-go.

I think a QB with a cannon for an arm, pin-point accuracy, 4.4 speed who looks to throw first, a solid head on his shoulders, and is extremely intelligent (accepted into Law School and working on his Masters as a junior?) is about as much as a surre thing as you're gonna get in the NFL.

The ultimate question in looking for a franchise QB, however, is this: Does he elevate the play of his teammates around him or does the team make him look better than he really is. If you watched any of the Baylor games this year, you know the answer to that question, and you know why RG3 is a FRANCHISE QB.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Peyton mannings are very very difficult to find. I'm talking about a qb so good he alone can carry a mediocre team to the super bowl. if you trade away all your future draft picks, that's what you're asking rgIII to be.

This franchise qb concept is getting out of control. unless we are monumentally lucky, even if we are aggressive, we won't get Brady or brees. We have to try to get a brees type qb, but we have to build our team as if the best we can get is Matt Ryan or a Joe flacco or a Philip rivers type qb. These guys are good qbs, but theyre bot going to get you to the super bowl unless you give them a very good supporting cast. Hell, even Eli might fall into that category.

Building around your qb to the point where for 2-3 years, you take away virtually every chance to bring in young talent is a really, really bad strategy.

All of them are first round QBs, which is something this team is allergic to.

[notorious]

So, never try.


Stick with the old plan since it has worked so well for us in the past.

[Bewbies]

All the picks in the world don't matter anymore if you don't have a QB....

[MOhillbilly]

Fisher mind ****.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

All the picks in the world don't matter anymore if you don't have a QB....

It's like having a world-class sports car with a grandma driver.

[RustShack]

How many of the NFL's current great QB's are were drafted top two? How many teams gave up and entire draft + some to get said great QB?

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Peyton mannings are very very difficult to find. I'm talking about a qb so good he alone can carry a mediocre team to the super bowl. if you trade away all your future draft picks, that's what you're asking rgIII to be.

This franchise qb concept is getting out of control. unless we are monumentally lucky, even if we are aggressive, we won't get Brady or brees. We have to try to get a brees type qb, but we have to build our team as if the best we can get is Matt Ryan or a Joe flacco or a Philip rivers type qb. These guys are good qbs, but theyre bot going to get you to the super bowl unless you give them a very good supporting cast. Hell, even Eli might fall into that category.

Building around your qb to the point where for 2-3 years, you take away virtually every chance to bring in young talent is a really, really bad strategy.

Uh, there is that whole "free agency" thing. Why not use proven commodities to fill in the gaps for a year or two?

You make it sound like going after a franchise QB will result in the Planet of the Apes.....

You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by RustShack

How many of the NFL's current great QB's are were drafted top two? How many teams gave up and entire draft + some to get said great QB?

If the front office believes Tannehill will end up being the best they should take him. If they think it's gonna be RG3 or Kirk Cousins, that's who they should make every effort to take.

If the QB you think will be the best ends up that way no price is too high. If they don't any cost is too high.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Uh, there is that whole "free agency" thing. Why not use proven commodities to fill in the gaps for a year or two?

You make it sound like going after a franchise QB will result in the Planet of the Apes.....

Any strategy that has you relying purely on free agency for 2 offseasons is beyond fail. It goes against anything and everything a good football team should do. The best teams build through the draft. Let me again reiterate... if RGIII isn't Peyton Manning, and he probably won't be, he's going to need help.

A good team can draft 4-5 quality players/starters in 2 years. A very good team can draft 6-7. Why would you rather those players out of the draft than free agency? Because those 6-7 players you draft will probably cost the price of one overpriced free agent. I thought that was common sense.

[RealSNR]

Also, can I just say **** next year's supposedly glorious crop of QBs? I've been told multiple times by people that I just need to sit tight because next year we'll have a chance to draft Landry Jones or Tyler Wilson (assuming we don't blow shit chunks and get to draft Matt Barkley #1 overall). Oh goody! We can draft Luke Kuechly and Landry Jones and we'll have the best team ever! Problem solved!

Even Barkley is a pathetic turd compared to Luck and RGIII. Those two QBs are ****ing amazing, and it really sucks that Philip Rivers and Tyler Palko put us in this unfortunate never-ending purgatory. We actually had the potential to draft one of those guys and ****ed the whole thing up.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

If the front office believes Tannehill will end up being the best they should take him. If they think it's gonna be RG3 or Kirk Cousins, that's who they should make every effort to take.

If the QB you think will be the best ends up that way no price is too high. If they don't any cost is too high.

This is the kind of logic that's getting us into irrational loops.

There absolutely is a price too high. Building a team around the idea that you're rookie QB is going to be as good as Peyton Manning is reckless. You need to build your team as if you're going to get Matt Ryan, and hope to god your QB becomes Peyton Manning.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Any strategy that has you relying purely on free agency for 2 offseasons is beyond fail. It goes against anything and everything a good football team should do. The best teams build through the draft. Let me again reiterate... if RGIII isn't Peyton Manning, and he probably won't be, he's going to need help.

A good team can draft 4-5 quality players/starters in 2 years. A very good team can draft 6-7. Why would you rather those players out of the draft than free agency? Because those 6-7 players you draft will probably cost the price of one overpriced free agent. I thought that was common sense.

Exactly.


The Chiefs have gone about building this team the right way.

The only personnel mistake is at qb. We need a franchise qb, but you can't throw the rest of the team under the bus just to get one.

Look at the Packers this season. They had the epitome of the franchise qb and that wasn't enough due to a shitty defense, which they will have to upgrade in the draft.

The Chiefs need luck to happen in order to get the guy this draft. They can't go throwing 4 or 5 first rounders away.

[RustShack]

I don't think RG3 was this elite prospect last year..

[FAX]

Originally Posted by SNR

Also, can I just say **** next year's supposedly glorious crop of QBs? I've been told multiple times by people that I just need to sit tight because next year we'll have a chance to draft Landry Jones or Tyler Wilson (assuming we don't blow shit chunks and get to draft Matt Barkley #1 overall). Oh goody! We can draft Luke Kuechly and Landry Jones and we'll have the best team ever! Problem solved!

Even Barkley is a pathetic turd compared to Luck and RGIII. Those two QBs are ****ing amazing, and it really sucks that Philip Rivers and Tyler Palko put us in this unfortunate never-ending purgatory. We actually had the potential to draft one of those guys and ****ed the whole thing up.

At this point, those are phone bugs under the bridge, though. And there's no use crying over spilt candy wrappers. That bathroom is locked. We sucked, but not enough. The SFL plan was a pipe dream, anyhow. In reality, it would have been really difficult to suck as much as Indy this year ... especially with our defense.

Perhaps we can find a good, young quarterback in 2014 or 2015 ... or maybe 2020. But, given our fortunes, by then Crennel will probably be either dead or retired and the league will have changed the rules back to favoring defense and the run game.

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