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Old 12-19-2012, 11:30 AM   #1
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The problem is that Dungy's teams always under performed.

Those Tampa teams were loaded defensively and had good skill players on offense but the offenses and QB's were not successful. What Dilfer accomplished in Baltimore should have happened in Tampa or at least should have been in Super Bowls.

In Indy, Dungy had Edgerrin James, Manning, Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison, but his teams struggled in the playoffs and were weak defensively, which is supposedly Dungy's area of expertise.

The reality is the he never "coached up" his teams or got them over the hump. His teams improved because of personnel improvements, not through scheme or coaching.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:39 AM   #2
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I'll 2nd that.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:22 AM   #3
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John Fox is a good coach. Dick Vermeil is a good coach. Dan Reeves is a good coach.

As much as it pains me to say it, Bill Cowher is a good coach.

All of those guys built teams that could make it all the way to the Super Bowl without a franchise QB. Once they found their franchise QB, they won it all.

Tony Dungy is not one of them and doesn't belong in that discussion.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:23 AM   #4
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Dungy can't. And that was the original point.
Ehh that im not sure of. I know he could get more out of the players than Romeo (that's not saying much). One of these Qb's pans out sure why cant this team contend for a title?

With that said I'm not really interested in watching the Tampa 2 or the 4-3 defense ever again.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:32 AM   #5
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The problem is that Dungy's teams always under performed.

Those Tampa teams were loaded defensively and had good skill players on offense but the offenses and QB's were not successful. What Dilfer accomplished in Baltimore should have happened in Tampa or at least should have been in Super Bowls.

In Indy, Dungy had Edgerrin James, Manning, Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison, but his teams struggled in the playoffs and were weak defensively, which is supposedly Dungy's area of expertise.

The reality is the he never "coached up" his teams or got them over the hump. His teams improved because of personnel improvements, not through scheme or coaching.
We'll get to see how much of that was Dungy and how much of that was Manning. Remember the huge knock on Manning was he could never win the big game.
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:24 PM   #6
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We'll get to see how much of that was Dungy and how much of that was Manning. Remember the huge knock on Manning was he could never win the big game.
I'm not sure if it'll be a fair comparison because Manning never enjoyed the kind of defense he has in Denver while in Indy.

As we saw in 2011, Peyton Manning was the only reason why the Colts were competing for Super Bowls during the Dungy/Polian era. Peyton Manning carried those teams and IIRC, the 2009 Super Bowl runner-up Colts had the 29th ranked defense that season.

IMO, the "blame" for lack of Super Bowl appearances during the Polian/Dungy/Manning era lies squarely on the shoulders of Polian and Dungy, not Manning.
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:46 PM   #7
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I'm not sure if it'll be a fair comparison because Manning never enjoyed the kind of defense he has in Denver while in Indy.

As we saw in 2011, Peyton Manning was the only reason why the Colts were competing for Super Bowls during the Dungy/Polian era. Peyton Manning carried those teams and IIRC, the 2009 Super Bowl runner-up Colts had the 29th ranked defense that season.

IMO, the "blame" for lack of Super Bowl appearances during the Polian/Dungy/Manning era lies squarely on the shoulders of Polian and Dungy, not Manning.
No Super Bowl winning QB has ever led a second team to a Super Bowl victory. Therefore, it can't happen. /unserious
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:48 PM   #8
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No Super Bowl winning QB has ever led a second team to a Super Bowl victory. Therefore, it can't happen. /unserious
Is this actually true?
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:51 PM   #9
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Is this actually true?
Yes. Only two have led a second team to a losing effort in the Superbowl, Kurt Warner (St. Louis, Arizona) and Craig Morton (Dallas, Denver).
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:21 PM   #11
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No Super Bowl winning QB has ever led a second team to a Super Bowl victory. Therefore, it can't happen. /unserious
And you accused me of overreacting.
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No Super Bowl winning QB has ever led a second team to a Super Bowl victory. Therefore, it can't happen. /unserious
That is pretty interesting. Watch Peyton win it all this year
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IMO, the "blame" for lack of Super Bowl appearances during the Polian/Dungy/Manning era lies squarely on the shoulders of Polian and Dungy, not Manning.
Ironically, Peyton's lone SB win was due to the way the D played.

He tried to give that WC game to the Chiefs.
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Ironically, Peyton's lone SB win was due to the way the D played.

He tried to give that WC game to the Chiefs.
That was a strange Super Bowl game in Miami. Rain, and a below average performance by Peyton. Oh, and Rex Grossman.

Bizarre.
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I'm not real interested in hiring a guy, hoping that he "changes" from what he used to do. You bring a guy in because you like what he does and you want him to do that here.

The first is how you end up with Romeo or some bullshit. In my experience, guys in those positions don't tend to change.
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