What position do we need the most in the first round?

[googlegoogle]

Half of you were saying LT.

Is that still true?

Dline?

[The Bad Guy]

I'm also tired of this history says shit when talking about taking a safety in the top 5.

I don't give a shit what history says.

You take the biggest difference maker. That player is Eric Berry.

[Mecca]

If we hadn't switched to 3-4 you could make arguments for Suh and Dunlap but since we did Berry becomes the only option.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Belichick took Eric Turner #2 overall in Cleveland.

But then he died. And then the Redskins took Sean Taylor at 5. And then HE died. Can't you people see the pattern?

[tk13]

Yeah that's one guy in the last 20 or so years. Although I think Berry might very well be the most talented guy out there. It's funny because last year everybody argued against Curry because you don't take a MLB that high. Well you don't take a lot of safeties that high either. Reed and Polamalu were mid to late 1st round. But you gotta deal with what's on the board. But there's a long way to go to have these arguments. This team needs a playmaking safety, a true pass rusher, and a true NT to be a real 3-4 team.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I don't know how you couldn't be optimistic about Morgan's play today. He didn't have any Ed Reed-type plays, but he did his job, and did it well.

Give the guy time to mature (he's got loads of raw talent) and you may end up with a hell of a player.

Now Hamas and I are agreeing. I should buy a lotto ticket this week. But I agree, I watched him closely and he def did not embarrass himself today and as you noted, while didn't make any Ed Reed type plays looked pretty solid.

Seriously, why don't some of you who think we need to go o-line in round 1 take a look at some of the best lines in the league and tell me where their interior guys were taken?

Albert will be fine at left tackle. When he learns how to use his hands properly and gets used to his current weight his play will improve. Second, if we don't address some of the line in FA it won't matter anyway. A line full of rookies will get its nuts kicked in all season. You can't field an offensive line with Albert and a bunch of rookies and expect anything except disaster. It's reeruned.

The entire right side needs to be replaced and look for a Waters replacement in the draft. But we should be replacing C to Right tackle with free agents who are coming into their prime IMO. They don't have to be all-pros just upgrades.

[Mecca]

I'd argue for a pass rusher...but the only pass rusher worth the pick is Dunlap and he isn't a 3-4 guy.

[WildTurkey]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I'm also tired of this history says shit when talking about taking a safety in the top 5.

I don't give a shit what history says.

You take the biggest difference maker. That player is Eric Berry.

exactly..... to pass on a rare talent like that is inexcusable...

[WildTurkey]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'd argue for a pass rusher...but the only pass rusher worth the pick is Dunlap and he isn't a 3-4 guy.

Dunlap and the Safeties are the truly elite prospects... I would say WR but I'm not sure Bryant is all that great

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tk13

Yeah that's one guy in the last 20 or so years. Although I think Berry might very well be the most talented guy out there. It's funny because last year everybody argued against Curry because you don't take a MLB that high. Well you don't take a lot of safeties that high either. Reed and Polamalu were mid to late 1st round. But you gotta deal with what's on the board. But there's a long way to go to have these arguments. This team needs a playmaking safety, a true pass rusher, and a true NT to be a real 3-4 team.

No, no. Entirely different arguments.

The argument against Curry is that 3-4 ILBs are not playmakers and they're much more one-dimensional than 4-3 MLBs. And besides, you're talking about an OLB, not a MLB. While 4-3 OLBs are more important than 3-4 ILBs, that's still a position that doesn't have a lot of "difference making capability."

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Their play has upped the value of the position.

These are the best players, there's no need to reach for a shitty OT, there are no rushbackers.

You take the elite safety.

The other thing that has increased the value of the safety position is the evolution of the passing game, fueled by the rules changes.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Originally Posted by milkman

The other thing that has increased the value of the safety position is the evolution of the passing game, fueled by the rules changes.

Beuerlein was saying during the game today how safety is becoming an important position because of the way the game is played today. A few years ago I never would have thought a safety for a pick as high as we will be picking but a great safety IS a game changer worth the high pick.

[BossChief]

I used to be on the Suh train, but have gotten off and am firmly on the Berry wagon after todays game and all games leading up to it.

He gives us great value and fits an immediate position of need.

If we had Berry this year we might have won three games by now. Maybe more.

If there is no CBA agreement, this draft may have 15 or so guys that fall to the second round because of so many sophmores declaring because it may be the last chance at a big payday.

I would literally go BPA with the next two picks if this is the case because it may be our last chance, for awhile anyway, to get some elite guys added to our roster that are that young. We could walk out of the draft with three first round talents in any other draft.

Every round should have great value because of this and we should be able to fix the oline in FA and the middle rounds.

I just hope we dont shit the bed from the third round on again.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Originally Posted by Shox

Exactly my point!!!. They get to roam and freelance because they have a front seven who do their jobs. There whole defensive approach is for them to roam and make plays. The Chiefs are not even close to this kind of talent in the front 7, therefore you could put Polamalu or Reed in a Chief uniform and they would become slightly above average safties.

Football is a team sport and it all starts upfront.
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Wtf. thats a great theory and all but how do we improve these areas with our top 5 pick when there is know one worth drafting....

[BossChief]

We could walk away from the first day of draft weekend with

Berry
Cody
and an elite receiver/olinemen

then still have the whole third round on to fill other holes

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

The other thing that has increased the value of the safety position is the evolution of the passing game, fueled by the rules changes.

this


very good thread btw