Should Penn State Get the Death Penalty?

[Trivers]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...lege_football/


Looks like officials are going from Penn State to state pen. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

What say ye? If so, for how long?

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

vailpass, the voice of reason.

Why you gotta' call me names?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Why you gotta' call me names?

don't get too misty-eyed ... saul would take the side of Satan himself over me.

It's his thing

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Laz

don't get too misty-eyed ... saul would take the side of Satan himself over me.

It's his thing

Do I strike you as the misty-eyed type?

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by Laz

don't get too misty-eyed ... saul would take the side of Satan himself over me.

It's his thing

Satan is obviously brighter than all of us. He's fooled billions in to thinking he actually exists. I don't see why that would be such a stretch to side with him over an absolute ****ing moron.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Satan is obviously brighter than all of us. He's fooled billions in to thinking he actually exists. I don't see why that would be such a stretch to side with him over an absolute ****ing moron.

But could he play for ND?

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

But could he play for ND?

What do his grades look like? Can he play TE?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Do I strike you as the misty-eyed type?

nope ... not a single 'mist' seen in your general direction

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

But could he play for ND?

Now that might be a conflict of interest.

But, it's common knowledge Notre Dame will let anyone (smart or dumb) play for them provided they are good. Hell they even let Jewish kids play at ND. I know, pretty unlikely...

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

But could he play for ND?

not with that shitty coach Weis calling the shots


Maybe if they hired Haley

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

University President
University Vice President
University Athletic Director
Head Football coach and Demigod

How much of a bigger representation of a University can you possible have?


people are trying to expand the scope to try and weasel out of a penalty.

The football program alone should be penalized. The NCAA should try and reduce collateral damage by allow all football coaches,personal and players out of their contracts and commitments without penalty.

anything else is just an excuse

And you are ignoring the idea that football drives a significant chunk of funding for Penn State to make it a strong academic institution. It's not just about punishing the football program. It's about cutting the entire university below its knees. You are making the mistake of suggesting this is just about football. This death penalty affects the entire university, the entire state, and the thousands of students who rely on Penn State to give a quality education at in-state rates.

I've talked numerous times about the millions of people affected by this that didn't cover this up or do anything wrong. Punish badly the ones who ****ed this up. Punish the football program. The death penalty unfortunately reaches way beyond that.

[ohiobronco2]

Originally Posted by Laz

I doubt the NCAA has guts to significantly punish a University the size of Penn State over this. It this was about 'Midlevel State University' or something they would be talking all tough and looking to set an example.

With PSU they will hide behind "it's a legal matter for the law" and go back to counting their money like the gigantic pussies they are.

Maybe the will surprise me, but i doubt it.

They gave Ohio State a one year bowl ban. They are the biggest (maybe 2nd to Texas in enrollment) school in the country. USC has been banned for what, 3 years?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Violations regarding recruiting college athletes, betting on collegiate athletics, etc; are collegiate athletic issues that are dealt with by an association for collegiate athletics.

Raping a child is a legal issue... doesn't matter if was the head coach of the football team or the physics professor, it's not an collegiate athletics issue. It's a legal issue. And in this case, it's also a matter of following the Clery Act, which is being investigated by the Department of Education.

No one is arguing the acts are worse than when SMU got the death penalty, but SMU's problems were athletic violations.

If you text an athlete too many times, the cops aren't going to get involved. The NCAA will though, because it's an NCAA rule. Not a legal one.

You wasted your effort with this post, though I do appreciate it being said in a different voice.

It's clear as day. Even when Baylor got their sanctions, it wasn't for the murder coverup but for the recruiting violations found during the investigation of same (which may very well be exactly what happens to Penn State, as previously suggested).

But it's far easier to just shout "RABBLE!!!", light up your torches and storm city hall.

I ended up in a similar conversation at lunch today and it took about 5 minutes for the 2 staples in a lost debate to come to the forefront: "So were the Nazi SS soldiers not as culpable as Hitler!?!?!" and "I pray it never happens to your children..."

Godwin's law and a mindless 'appeal' to emotion - the foundation of any truly good stream of vengeance fueled drivel.

I'm out of this mess. I've tried to stay as reasonable as possible here and it's clear that there is a group of people that simply has no intention of giving credence to facts or law here. I'm done buying books just to watch them eat the pages.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Who is "they"? Please enlighten me. "They" are going to get the hammer on them. Those who covered it up, there's a special place in hell for them, not to mention the major penalties they'll undoubtedly see as a result. The law is not going to go soft on them. Those responsible are going to get hit hard.

The "they" you are referring to are thousands of innocent students who did not cover this up. The "they" you are referring to are the thousands of faculty, staff, and administrators that rely on Penn State as a job to feed their families. The "they" you are referring to are the millions of Penn State taxpayers who are paying millions in taxes to fund the investigation and aftermath of this whole mess (deserved), and now you're asking them to also pay for the massive financial problems Penn State will incur as a result of sanctions. The "they" you are talking about... you are talking about ****ing with an entire state's lifeblood to prove a point, maybe for as long as 20 years. The "they" you are talking about are all non-football PSU athletes -- PSU football pretty much funds all of them. Clean athletes may be stripped of scholarships and forced to transfer schools, even if they love it there.

Who are you trying to stick it to exactly? Because the guys responsible are going to get hammered... hard. The football program is going to take a very long time to recover from this, sanctions or no sanctions. But I suppose you have the ridiculous belief that the entire state of Pennsylvania and students/faculty of the school should be punished, because they were too big of football fans.

Y'know? Them.

They.

"Penn State: Collective Institution"

He's an idiot.

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by ohiobronco2

They gave Ohio State a one year bowl ban. They are the biggest (maybe 2nd to Texas in enrollment) school in the country. USC has been banned for what, 3 years?

Arizona State is the biggest.

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You wasted your effort with this post, though I do appreciate it being said in a different voice.

It's clear as day. Even when Baylor got their sanctions, it wasn't for the murder coverup but for the recruiting violations found during the investigation of same (which may very well be exactly what happens to Penn State, as previously suggested).

But it's far easier to just shout "RABBLE!!!", light up your torches and storm city hall.

I ended up in a similar conversation at lunch today and it took about 5 minutes for the 2 staples in a lost debate to come to the forefront: "So were the Nazi SS soldiers not as culpable as Hitler!?!?!" and "I pray it never happens to your children..."

Godwin's law and a mindless 'appeal' to emotion - the foundation of any truly good stream of vengeance fueled drivel.

I'm out of this mess. I've tried to stay as reasonable as possible here and it's clear that there is a group of people that simply has no intention of giving credence to facts or law here. I'm done buying books just to watch them eat the pages.

You're just a hater.