just more speculation about RGIII

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by eric007

I do not dislike. I dislike the fact you assume im a racist. Im saying you do not win running around as a QB like some jack rabbit. I said nothing about color.Im talking about the style. The style is NOT a winning formula never has been. A QB is paid to make pin point passes not to be a RB and run around like a jackass. This is not a white,black issue I could care less about that.Any qb can run when LBS drop in coverage that takes no brains.So in closing a QB is suppose to throw. If they draft rg3 cool thats awesome. All I said who I would rather have.

Then stop comparing him to Vick. They have only three things in common.

1. Arm strength

2. Both are fast

3. You know what it is

The guy is head and shoulders a better QB prospect than Vick ever was.

[qabbaan]

Manning is our best option. It's just money, and we are so far under the cap that money can't be an excuse.

We are not going to trade up in the draft or do anything but make a safe pick. Pioli says they want to draft QBs every year, but he means they want to draft low round QBs and experiment with them.

Manning is our only hope with this administration!

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by qabbaan

Manning is our best option. It's just money, and we are so far under the cap that money can't be an excuse.

We are not going to trade up in the draft or do anything but make a safe pick. Pioli says they want to draft QBs every year, but he means they want to draft low round QBs and experiment with them.

Manning is our only hope with this administration!

Manning hasn't thrown a ball in over a year. There were the rumors that he's left with a noodle arm because of the nerve damage in his neck.

Besides the fact that he's 36, and coming off of, let's count them, one, two, three and four, neck surgeries.

I love the guy. One of the best ever. But he's 36 years old (as of March 24th) and has had multiple neck surgeries.

What do you think you are going to get from this guy at this point? Besides a massive salary cap hit and another two year delay in drafting and developing a young quarterback?

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Manning hasn't thrown a ball in over a year. There were the rumors that he's left with a noodle arm because of the nerve damage in his neck.

Besides the fact that he's 36, and coming off of, let's count them, one, two, three and four, neck surgeries.

I love the guy. One of the best ever. But he's 36 years old (as of March 24th) and has had multiple neck surgeries.

What do you think you are going to get from this guy at this point? Besides a massive salary cap hit and another two year delay in drafting and developing a young quarterback?

Pocket presence, reading defenses, and anticipating receiver routes don't go away with neck surgeries. If he's healthy enough to play, he's far and away the best option.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Pocket presence, reading defenses, and anticipating receiver routes don't go away with neck surgeries. If he's healthy enough to play, he's far and away the best option.

Barry Richardson is our right tackle.

You can scratch pocket presence. You can probably add another neck injury to it as well.

Manning has never worked with our receivers or with Daboll.

So much for anticipating routes.

They guy can definitely read defenses though.

Manning hasn't thrown in over a year. He hasn't worked with a team in over a year. He's behind the curve on conditioning.

He's effectively six games away from being "Peyton Manning" given a full off-season with a new team - providing that he can even still play after this latest neck surgery.

Manning, the 2012 free agent, bringing Chiefs playoff glory, is a bigger pipe dream than us trading up for Bobbie Griffin.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Barry Richardson is our right tackle.

You can scratch pocket presence. You can probably add another neck injury to it as well.

We can all pretty much stop talking about Barry Richardson right now. He won't be back and we'll have an upgrade. So he's a non factor.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Manning hasn't thrown a ball in over a year. There were the rumors that he's left with a noodle arm because of the nerve damage in his neck.

Besides the fact that he's 36, and coming off of, let's count them, one, two, three and four, neck surgeries.

I love the guy. One of the best ever. But he's 36 years old (as of March 24th) and has had multiple neck surgeries.

What do you think you are going to get from this guy at this point? Besides a massive salary cap hit and another two year delay in drafting and developing a young quarterback?

Here are couple a sobering facts: During Peyton Manning's LIFETIME, the Chiefs have a regular season record, on average, of 7-9. Peyton Manning has had as many playoff victories in ONE YEAR as the Chiefs have had during his ENTIRE LIFE.

People wonder why a lot of us want to draft RG3? That's why.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Here are couple a sobering facts: During Peyton Manning's LIFETIME, the Chiefs have a regular season record, on average, of 7-9. Peyton Manning has had as many playoff victories in ONE YEAR as the Chiefs have had during his ENTIRE LIFE.

People wonder why a lot of us want to draft RG3? That's why.

Also lets not forget the Giants with Eli (whom they had to give up picks for) have more playoff wins this year than we have had since SB IV. Also they have as many SB rings with Eli (whom they again gave up picks for), as we have SB appearances. But lets not go big and get us a franchise QB. Lets keep doing it the way we always have and play it safe. Don't want to jeopardize the future.

Some say "wait till next year for our QB" Some problems with that though

1. We finished 7-9 minus Moeaki, Berry, and Charles with Cassel and Palko under center with one of the toughest schedules in the NFL. We get them back (hopefully not Cassel or Palko) and have an easier schedule, hard to think we will draft #11 next year.

2. This year's QB class was supposed to be deep, till it wasn't. Barkley and Jones went back to school making this QB very weak outside of the top 2 (hell Tannehill is looking like a Top 10-15 pick). Everyone thinks next years will be deep as well, but what if the underclassmen don't declare? Then it becomes weak again and we are right back in this situation again, except this time we might be trying to trade up from the 20's instead of #11.

No more excuses, this is the year to take the gamble. We have nothing to lose as the old ways do not work as our history has shown. Oh and I am agreeing with everything you have said. This response is not directed at you, just using your post to caveat on what you have been saying.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Sooo much fail in this thread. Wow. Now RG3 is a "punk", next they'll say he should be moved to wideout.

[carlos3652]

Qb's drafted in first round since 2000+

2000 - 1-18 - Chad Pennington (Jets)
2001 - 1-1 - Mike Vick (Falcons)
2002 - 1-1 - David Carr (Texans)
2002 - 1-3 - Joey Harrignton (Lions)
2002 - 1-32 - Patrick Ramsey (Redskins)
2003 - 1-1 - Carson Palmer (Bengals)
2003 - 1-7 - Byron Leftwich (Jaguars)
2003 - 1-19 - Kyle Boller (Ravens)
2003 - 1-22 - Rex Grossman (Bears)
2004 - 1-1 - Eli Manning (Giants)
2004 - 1-4 - Philip Rivers (Chargers)
2004 - 1-11 - Ben Roethlisberger (Steelers)
2004 - 1-22 - JP Losman (Bills)
2005 - 1-1 - Alex Smith (49ers)
2005 - 1-24 - Aaron Rodgers (Packers)
2005 - 1-25 - Jason Campbell (Redskins)
2006 - 1-3 - Vince Young (Titans)
2006 - 1-10 - Matt Leinart (Cardinals)
2006 - 1-11 - Jake Cutler (Broncos)
2007 - 1-1 - JaMarcus Russell (Raiders)
2007 - 1-22 - Brady Quinn (Browns)
2008 - 1-3 - Matt Ryan (Falcons)
2008 - 1-18 - Joe Flacco (Ravens)
2009 - 1-1 - Mathew Stafford (Lions)
2009 - 1-5 - Mark Sanchez (Jets)
2009 - 1-17 - Josh Freeman (Bucs)
2010 - 1-1 - Sam Bradford (Rams)
2010 - 1-25 - Tim Tebow (Broncos)
2011 - 1-1 - Cam Newton (Panthers)
2011 - 1-8 - Jake Locker (Titans)
2011 - 1-10 - Blaine Gabbert (Jaguars)
2011 - 1-12 - Chris Ponder (Vikings)

Notables Drafted outside 1st.

2000- Marc Bulger 6-168
2000- Tom Brady 6-199
2001- Drew Brees 2-33
2003 - Tony Romo - Undrafted
2004 - Matt Schaub 3-90
2011 - Andy Dalton 2-35

Ok, so how many Franchise Qb's from this list? Also, how many of these QB's were so called sure things to excel in the NFL. How many have panned out.

Let me know if having to get RGIII is worth trading away 3 firsts and multiple picks in the next 2 drafts. I think not.

Regardless of the last 40 year history we have had to endure- Its stupid to trade away too much for an unknown. If we could give up 2 firsts and a 3rd and a 5th id do it in a heartbeat. I wont be pissed if the redskins or browns actually give up what they are saying they will. And yes, do I feel "Next year we will do something about the QB situation" will piss people off - but if you are smart (and I think Pioli is) being Cap friendly and having young quality pieces in place year in and year out - we will eventually hit on a QB that we can call franchise in the future and we will be GREAT for 10+ years. Its not worth creating cap hell, losing pieces in the future for a gamble.

Again, I expect us to start using our first rounders for QB's - but im not willing to trade the farm on gambles, because if we countinue doing what we are doing, if we make a mistake on the gamble, we can try again, and still be in the same friendly (Cap and young pieces) situation we were when we tried the first time.

Anyways, my 2 cents. And i really do think this is what we are building towards.

[BossChief]

Peyton was throwing to backs and receivers after practice since week 11 of last season and now throws the whole route tree.

Stick to the facts.

[Sofa King]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Peyton was throwing to backs and receivers after practice since week 11 of last season and now throws the whole route tree.

Stick to the facts.

Why?

Guessing and making shit up is so much more fun. Paired with assuming the worst in all situations, and you've got yourself some golden posts.

[Okie_Apparition]

yes, yes it is

[Dayze]

It'll never happen but I would imagine this place would implode I'd we somehow worked a deal to get RGIII.

....then kietzman would criticize the pick on Friday p.m.

[Okie_Apparition]

Dog gone we're smart enough
we're good enough
& RGIII likes us