CoMoChief has the solution to the QB problem in Kansas City

[CoMoChief]

Hire Andy Reid as a HC. Kick Scott Pioli out the door. Take Cassel, Quinn and Stanzi with him. God what a HORRIBLE QB squad that is. Reid's west coast system will allow these young QB's to succeed early.

Trade for Seahawks' QB Matt Flynn. Assuming we were to someway get a comp 3rd rd pick for losing Brandon Carr, we can give SEA our early 3rd and keep the comp pick.

Rd 1 - Manti Teo ILB - Notre Dame with the #1 overall pick. Why? Because there's no Andrew Luck or RG3 in this draft. Teo was the best player in this draft and very well could be the best LB on this team in a couple seasons. Hali-Teo-Johnson-Houston: Best LB core in the NFL. This guy has a tremendous knack for the game and is a true ballhawker.

Rd2 - Tyler Wilson QB - Arkansas. Some say he won't last til the 2nd rd. I think there's a good possible chance that he will.

Rd3 - Landry Jones QB - Oklahoma. Yup QB and the QB back to back rounds. Get rid of the ****ing losers from the previous regime and have a legit #1 QB competition coming into camp next season. Flynn, Wilson, Jones are ALL better than anything we put out on the field this season and it's not even close.

Rd4 - Tyrann Mathieu CB - LSU. Was once the best defensive player in college football. This could be a sleeper HR pick at a major position of need on defense kinda like the Houston pick was. He's 5x the player Arenas is and Arenas doesn't need to be playing on the outside anyways. God the Brandon Carr/Stanford Routt personnel decision really blew up in Pioli's face.

Find a way to sign Ed Reed. One problem with this team is that there's no true veteran leadership. Yes we have veterans on this team and many Probowlers or players that are borderline...but most of the team really doesn't know how to win. Most of these players careers in the NFL have been on the losing end. Ed Reed knows what it takes to win games.

All of a sudden you have a jean creamin' top 10 defense and some way or another, will find our franchise QB with the arms we have in the stable.

Even though I can be an ass on this board, some don't like me....but in all honesty I love posting here, all of you I'm sure are great people, and the best hopes for all of you going into 2013. God bless.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Jarvis Jones is a legit pass rusher. He is a Von Miller type of player if he passes his medical.

He has to be better than Miller. He has to be a once in a generational type pass rusher.


Lawrence Taylor type guy. Same as the QB has to be LUck.

[kcbubb]

Here's a post I made in another thread.

One thing that needs to be cleared up that #1 picks are more valuable under the new CBA than under the old one. You don't want to waste them.

The reasoning that says "well, we don't have to spend as much money on this #1 pick, so lets just pick a QB and roll the dice." That is bogus. The #1 pick is worth more in compensation through trades with the new CBA. You forfeit more potential players via trade now than ever before if you are not willing to trade down.

Look at the following non QB trades:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/sto.../trade-tracker

Cleveland Browns: Acquire pick No. 3 in 2012 Trent Richardson
Minnesota Vikings: Acquire picks No. 4, No. 118, No. 139 and No. 211 Matt Kalil

Jacksonville Jaguars: Acquire pick No. 5 in 2012 Justin Blackmon
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Acquire picks No. 7 and No. 101 Mark Barron

Dallas Cowboys: Acquire pick No. 6 in 2012 Morris Claiborne
St. Louis Rams: Acquire picks No. 14 and No. 45 Michael Brockers

Philadelphia Eagles: Acquire pick No. 12 in 2012 Fletcher Cox
Seattle Seahawks: Acquire picks No. 15, No. 114 and No. 172 Bruce Irvin

New England Patriots: Acquire pick No. 21 in 2012 Chandler Jones
Cincinnati Bengals: Acquire picks No. 27 and No. 93 Kevin Zeitler

NewEngland Patriots: Acquire pick No. 25 in 2012 Donta Hightower
Denver Broncos: Acquire picks No. 31 and No. 126 Doug Martin

Minnesota Vikings: Acquire pick No. 29 in 2012 Harrison Smith
Baltimore Ravens: Acquire picks No. 35 and No. 98 Courtney Upshaw

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Acquire picks No. 31 and No. 126 Doug Martin
Denver Broncos: Acquire picks No. 36 and No. 101 Derek Wolfe

[O.city]

3 of those trades were top 10 trades, and how did they work out?

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by O.city

Really? Are you serious? Really?


The guy who was swallowed against the run?

Didn't they say the same thing about Von Miller?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Didn't they say the same thing about Von Miller?

That he has a severe medical issue? No.


Swallowed against the run? Yeah, at times. Not nearly as much as Jarvis.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by O.city

3 of those trades were top 10 trades, and how did they work out?

Potentially great for the Vikes and Rams. Vikes got Kalil. And Rams got Brockers and with the trade took Janorris Jenkins in the 2nd round b/c of the extra picks that were available with trade.

Have to wait and see how they all pan out.

[O.city]

What is the common theme that all those teams who made the trades to go down ALREADY had?

[threebag]

Sure as hell wasn't a gapping ****ing hole at Quarterback.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by O.city

What is the common theme that all those teams who made the trades to go down ALREADY had?

What about the 49ers, Browns, Seahawks, and Bengals?
49ers took their QB in the 2nd round
Browns took Weeden after taking Richardson
Seahawks took Wilson in the 3rd
Bengals took Dalton after taking Green with the 33rd pick

3 of those 4 teams are in the playoffs. Just b/c you need a QB doesn't mean that you have to get screwed on value.

The Chiefs could trade down or they could trade up back inot the first from their 2nd. The Chiefs have a lot of options. They could sit pat and take Bray with their 2nd round pick. They don't have to get screwed on value.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

What about the 49ers, Browns, Seahawks, and Bengals?
49ers took their QB in the 2nd round
Browns took Weeden after taking Richardson
Seahawks took Wilson in the 3rd
Bengals took Dalton after taking Green with the 33rd pick

3 of those 4 teams are in the playoffs. Just b/c you need a QB doesn't mean that you have to get screwed on value.

The Chiefs could trade down or they could trade up back inot the first from their 2nd. The Chiefs have a lot of options. They could sit pat and take Bray with their 2nd round pick. They don't have to get screwed on value.

You should probably wait and see if they can actually WIN in the playoffs before you cite them as examples.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Potentially great for the Vikes and Rams. Vikes got Kalil. And Rams got Brockers and with the trade took Janorris Jenkins in the 2nd round b/c of the extra picks that were available with trade.

Have to wait and see how they all pan out.

Funny that the Vikings and Rams BOTH have first round QBs, isn't it?

[kcbubb]

So you think the draft will go like this.

1. Chiefs (2-14) Geno Smith

2. Jaguars (2-14) Tyler Wilson

3. Raiders (4-12) Matt Barkley

4. Eagles (4-12) Mike Glennon

5. Lions (4-12) Jarvis Jones

6. Browns (5-11) Star L.

7. Cardinals (5-11) Aaron Murray

8. Bills (6-10) Tyler Bray

9. Jets (6-10) Ryan Nassib

10. Titans (6-10) Luke Joeckel

[kcbubb]

7 out of the top ten picks would have to be QBs if you are the GM

[kcbubb]

That type of logic is ridiculious. You don't just take a QB because you need one. You have to consider value and what type of player is available.

I wish we had a real franchise QB available with the top pick. But we don't. That doesn't mean we have to take one. We have other options to fill the QB position.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Heh.

Better list then I thought. Although none of them are MLB's.

1980 Rogers, GeorgeGeorge Rogers* South Carolina Running back 1,128 35.81%
1981 Allen, MarcusMarcus Allen^ USC Running back 1,797 57.05%
1982 Walker, HerschelHerschel Walker Georgia Running back 1,926 61.14%
1983 Rozier, MikeMike Rozier Nebraska Running back 1,801 57.17%
1984 Flutie, DougDoug Flutie Boston College Quarterback 2,240 71.11%
1985 Jackson, BoBo Jackson* Auburn Running back 1,509 47.90%
1986 Testaverde, VinnyVinny Testaverde* Miami Quarterback 2,213 70.25%
1987 Brown, TimTim Brown Notre Dame Wide receiver 1,442 45.78%
1988 Sanders, BarryBarry Sanders^ Oklahoma State Running back 1,878 68.27%
1989 Ware, AndreAndre Ware Houston Quarterback 1,073 38.96%
1990 Detmer, TyTy Detmer BYU Quarterback 1,482 53.87%
1991 Howard, DesmondDesmond Howard Michigan Wide receiver 2,077 75.50%
1992 Torretta, GinoGino Torretta Miami Quarterback 1,400 50.84%
1993 Ward, CharlieCharlie Ward Florida State Quarterback 1,743 83.79%
1994 Salaam, RashaanRashaan Salaam Colorado Running back 1,743 63.15%
1995 George, EddieEddie George Ohio State Running back 1,460 52.84%
1996 Wuerffel, DannyDanny Wuerffel Florida Quarterback 1,363 49.38%
1997 Woodson, CharlesCharles Woodson Michigan Cornerback/Punt returner 1,815 65.69%
1998 Williams, RickyRicky Williams Texas Running back 2,355 85.23%
1999 Dayne, RonRon Dayne Wisconsin Running back 2,042 73.83%
2000 Weinke, ChrisChris Weinke Florida State Quarterback 1,628 58.86%
2001 Crouch, EricEric Crouch Nebraska Quarterback 770 27.75%
2002 Palmer, CarsonCarson Palmer* USC Quarterback 1,328 48.01%
2003 White, JasonJason White Oklahoma Quarterback 1,481 53.54%
2004 Leinart, MattMatt Leinart USC Quarterback 1,325 47.85%
2005 Bush, ReggieReggie Bush
(vacated)[n 1] USC Running back 2,541 91.77%
2006 Smith, TroyTroy Smith Ohio State Quarterback 2,540 91.63%
2007 Tebow, TimTim Tebow Florida Quarterback 1,957 70.52%
2008 Bradford, SamSam Bradford* Oklahoma Quarterback 1,726 62.13%
2009 Ingram, Jr., MarkMark Ingram, Jr. Alabama Running back 1,304 46.99%
2010 Newton, CamCam Newton* Auburn Quarterback 2,263 81.55%
2011 Griffin III, RobertRobert Griffin III Baylor Quarterback 1,687 60.66%
2012 Manziel, JohnnyJohnny Manziel Texas A&M Quarterback 2,029 72.88%

Looks like about an 80% success rate in the NFL