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Old 08-11-2014, 05:02 PM  
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:55 PM   #256
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This will be my last comment on this because quite honestly I'd prefer to focus on more positive and entertaining things on my day off.

Many posters responding to me seem to have the opinion that I'm ignorant of depression/bipolar disorder or have no experience with it.

Quite the opposite. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over who's pain is greater or "true fan" arguments over mental health.

I'm not saying depression isn't real, isn't serious, or isn't dangerous. Quite the opposite - and frankly I think the almost forgiving attitude towards suicide is dangerous itself.

I'm saying not everyone, or even most people, that get it kill themselves. Death is not the definitive outcome to this illness...
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Old 08-12-2014, 06:18 PM   #257
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:00 PM   #258
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Drugs ruin this country. They need to be eliminated all together. Drug dealers should get life in the pokey. Its that simple
Penalties for dealers are already substantial. Still, for the most part, we're filling our prisons with users, not dealers. How 'bout we consider treating addiction as a health problem instead of a law enforcement problem? How 'bout we start treating addicts and their disease instead of incarcerating them?
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:05 PM   #259
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This will be my last comment on this because quite honestly I'd prefer to focus on more positive and entertaining things on my day off.

Many posters responding to me seem to have the opinion that I'm ignorant of depression/bipolar disorder or have no experience with it.

Quite the opposite. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over who's pain is greater or "true fan" arguments over mental health.

I'm not saying depression isn't real, isn't serious, or isn't dangerous. Quite the opposite - and frankly I think the almost forgiving attitude towards suicide is dangerous itself.

I'm saying not everyone, or even most people, that get it kill themselves. Death is not the definitive outcome to this illness...
Damn right. Anyone with a lick of sense can see the danger you point out. If we continue to show sympathy for sick people who commit suicide, pretty soon healthy people will want to try it too.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:13 PM   #260
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All my life I have been crushed with depression. Obviously ms paint is where I got some relief. I had been sober for 4 years after being totally lit up on booze and Nyquil and whatever I could shove down my pie hole. Anyway my depression was bad this year with nothing around me being bad. I had girlfriend, no legal trouble, no problems except for my actual brain being shitty. It was laughable because I could see how terrible my brain is. I went to the doctor and got put on lexipro low dosage and I got some relief. I have had anxiety and depression crush me al my life. I am lucky to be able to separate real from reality depression. Feel bad for the situation, I am sure he had suffered enough.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:20 PM   #261
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Damn right. Anyone with a lick of sense can see the danger you point out. If we continue to show sympathy for sick people who commit suicide, pretty soon healthy people will want to try it too.

That's just utterly ridiculous.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:21 PM   #262
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That's just utterly ridiculous.
Yes. It truly is.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:24 PM   #263
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Penalties for dealers are already substantial. Still, for the most part, we're filling our prisons with users, not dealers. How 'bout we consider treating addiction as a health problem instead of a law enforcement problem? How 'bout we start treating addicts and their disease instead of incarcerating them?
That would make too much sense.

Throwing addicts in jail instead of treating the disease of addiction is one of if not the most idiotic counterproductive things we do in this country.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:30 PM   #264
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Addicts and boozers are liars. At least with jail time sometimes it crushes them into getting help. I could see a bunch of people getting treatment instead of jailtome but not really wanting to get better.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:36 PM   #265
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You're still thinking about this like a rational person. This is clinical/major depression we're talking about here, not just somebody having a bad day, feeling down and deciding they can't take it anymore.

Basically you're trying to make sense out of something that just doesn't make sense. Somebody who commits suicide because of this kind of depression doesn't think like you think. They can't think like you, unless they're being treated. And sometimes not even then.

This is actually one of the bigger issues in the country right now. Mental health, that is. Some of it isn't stuff you can just tough guy your way though.
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Addicts and boozers are liars. At least with jail time sometimes it crushes them into getting help. I could see a bunch of people getting treatment instead of jailtome but not really wanting to get better.
All true. But with treatment, at least some will get clean enough long enough to want to stay that way. Will a large fraction take treatment instead of jail even though they have no interest in getting well? Yes. Does a large fraction do jail time now without wanting to stop doing crime when they get out? Also yes. So maybe it's something of a wash. Maybe not. I can't know the numbers.

I'm not hoping for a one-size-fits-all answer for every problem. This much is certain: Felony convictions seriously damage people's chances of reentering productive society. Young users who enter the legal system have a very hard time working their way out of it. I am hoping to offer rescuable people a way back into productive lives before their futures are irretrievably lost. Once we've tried, it's really up to them to do what they will with the chance they're offered.
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I am not against giving treatment, but I know the hard core people who get sober and get depression help often use hard ass jail time to make them get .a wake up call. So at-least I see positives in it making people I come in contact get their shit together instead of a pansy treatment center.
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