Surtain trade do you really believe??? - Page 2

Logical · 04-13-2005, 01:35 PM

That it will not take this years second?

Logical · 04-13-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Teicher said it best. Neither team's in a rush. It's in our best interest to wait and see if they'll take less than a second, and it's in their best interest to wait and see if we'll offer more than a fourth.

As for what I really believe??? well, I believe the same thing I've believed since early March. It'll get done. It'll happen at the end of next week or the day of the draft. It might take the second, it might not. And I don't care that we're waiting. It's what I'd do.

A man of his word Keg has not voted

tk13 · 04-13-2005, 06:19 PM

Chris Mortensen said last night on ESPN he thought it'd get done. Despite what's been said, Mort said the Chiefs and Surtain had the contract worked out, and he thinks it'll go up to draft day or right before, then somebody will blink and the deal will get done. I really have no idea though...

**CosmicPal** · 04-13-2005, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Teicher said it best. Neither team's in a rush. It's in our best interest to wait and see if they'll take less than a second, and it's in their best interest to wait and see if we'll offer more than a fourth.

As for what I really believe??? well, I believe the same thing I've believed since early March. It'll get done. It'll happen at the end of next week or the day of the draft. It might take the second, it might not. And I don't care that we're waiting. It's what I'd do.

Just as long as we don't get into a tug-of-war with Miami just before our turn in the 2nd round over this and have Minnesota jump up and grab the pick 'cause we took too long.

(That's a joke from the 2003 draft when KC moved in front of Minnesota to grab Sims while Minnesota waited too long to pick).

(But, there is some truth to it since neither side is willing to bite at this time, and it could, and likely will go right up to our time to pick in the 2nd round).

Deberg_1990 · 04-13-2005, 06:27 PM

The more it drags out the less I think it will happen. Of course Carl would get roasted by the fans and media if it fell through, but what does he care? He just signed a nice fat contract extension. I wish Lamar would have at least waited until this off-season was over before he signed CP. At least CP might have had a little more motivation to get things done that way.

milkman · 04-13-2005, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Teicher said it best. Neither team's in a rush. It's in our best interest to wait and see if they'll take less than a second, and it's in their best interest to wait and see if we'll offer more than a fourth.

As for what I really believe??? well, I believe the same thing I've believed since early March. It'll get done. It'll happen at the end of next week or the day of the draft. It might take the second, it might not. And I don't care that we're waiting. It's what I'd do.

Like Keg, I'm not going to predict how it gets done, as long as it does get done.
And I believe it will get done.

If this poll had asked which we would prefer to see, this year's 2nd rounder for Surtain, or this year's 4th and conditional pick next year, then I would have chosen this year's second.

I have never liked the idea of giving up future picks, and I really like it a lot less after getting bitten in the ass on the Wellbourne deal.

**Skip Towne** · 04-13-2005, 06:30 PM

When are these other teams going to learn that Carl is a tough sob and they must do things his way?

milkman · 04-13-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

When are these other teams going to learn that Carl is a tough sob and they must do things his way?

About the time I gradiate from the 5th grade!

bigbucks24 · 04-13-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

The Dolphin fans are trying to squeeze as much of this as possible 2 1st rounders my ass

I think you might have mis-read the poster. He said Brylan Edwards and Surtain for the two 1's and a second. Meaning that we would trade the #2 pick in the draft also. I don't think anyone would seriously think that Miami could get two 1's and a second for Pat.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-13-2005, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbucks24

I think you might have mis-read the poster. He said Brylan Edwards and Surtain for the two 1's and a second. Meaning that we would trade the #2 pick in the draft also. I don't think anyone would seriously think that Miami could get two 1's and a second for Pat.

knowing homers on other BB's I doubt it

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-13-2005, 07:53 PM

"I can learn to hate orange"

SCTrojan · 04-13-2005, 08:07 PM

I know you can't trade a compensatory pick, but what about trading the player drafted with that pick?

A possible draft-day scenario that I think could happen is that the Surtain trade would go through if a player the Dolphins really like is available when it's time for our third-round pick.

It's a compromise that allows both sides to save face.

Chiefnj · 04-13-2005, 08:14 PM

There was a report somewhere this week that said that Surtain and the Chiefs were still 5 million apart on a deal. I'm not too sure it's just the draft picks holding up a deal. I wish it was, but I doubt it.

bigbucks24 · 04-13-2005, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

knowing homers on other BB's I doubt it

"Not the Cargers, you know, 2 first rounders, lots of cap space need for CB and WR, simply too many picks, some will not make the team, that many picks eat more cap room than Surtain, I can see their 2 firsts and their second for Braylon Edwards and Pat Surtain"

This is the quote form the other BB.

digi2fish · 04-13-2005, 08:59 PM

I want it be done with this year's 2nd.
but who knows what King Carl will do ?

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-13-2005, 09:05 PM

Miami's #2 = 2600 pts

SD entire draft

#12 =1200
#28 = 660
#61 = 292
#130= 42
#164= 26.8
#177= 21.6
#242= 1.2
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total 2243.6

View Poll Results: Surtain trade do you really believe???
Yes it will take this years 2nd	31	40.26%
No it will be done for a 4th this year and a non first round pick next year	46	59.74%
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $244454	The more it drags out the less I think it will happen. Of course Carl would get roasted by the fans and media if it fell through, but what does he care? He just signed a nice fat contract extension. I wish Lamar would have at least waited until this off-season was over before he signed CP. At least CP might have had a little more motivation to get things done that way. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	When are these other teams going to learn that Carl is a tough sob and they must do things his way?
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04-13-2005, 06:19 PM	#17
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1757500	Chris Mortensen said last night on ESPN he thought it'd get done. Despite what's been said, Mort said the Chiefs and Surtain had the contract worked out, and he thinks it'll go up to draft day or right before, then somebody will blink and the deal will get done. I really have no idea though...
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04-13-2005, 08:07 PM	#26
SCTrojan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Across the park Casino cash: $4899719	I know you can't trade a compensatory pick, but what about trading the player drafted with that pick? A possible draft-day scenario that I think could happen is that the Surtain trade would go through if a player the Dolphins really like is available when it's time for our third-round pick. It's a compromise that allows both sides to save face.
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04-13-2005, 08:14 PM	#27
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	There was a report somewhere this week that said that Surtain and the Chiefs were still 5 million apart on a deal. I'm not too sure it's just the draft picks holding up a deal. I wish it was, but I doubt it. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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04-13-2005, 08:59 PM	#29
digi2fish Your Asian Chief Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Casino cash: $10004900	I want it be done with this year's 2nd. but who knows what King Carl will do ? __________________ 堪薩斯 = Kansas / 市 = City / 酋長 = Chiefs 驢子 = doncos / 看到驢子輸球就很爽 = always a pleasure to see the doncos lose I'm the noontime nitecrew
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04-13-2005, 09:05 PM	#30
Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Miami's #2 = 2600 pts SD entire draft #12 =1200 #28 = 660 #61 = 292 #130= 42 #164= 26.8 #177= 21.6 #242= 1.2 ------------- total 2243.6
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