Trent Green: Would You Welcome Him Back?

[Donger]

I was cleaning up the ole DVR hard drive yesterday, and came across the playoff game last year. Seeing Green play in that game led me to consider the above question.

What would you say?

[kcfanXIII]

not at this point. not for football anyways. he's made a home here, and when he retires he will live around here. i miss the glory days of the circus offense, but i don't think he could do that anymore.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

No Trent is to good of a QB to be running this pathetic excuse of an offense we are using...

Plus Trent is far superior to Herm with football knowledge...

Just wouldnt work....

I wish Trent the best and will root for him to succeed and for Herm to fail.

Someone give this guy a link to a Fins board, they have a new fan.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

No Trent is to good of a QB to be running this pathetic excuse of an offense we are using...

Plus Trent is far superior to Herm with football knowledge...

Just wouldnt work....

I wish Trent the best and will root for him to succeed and for Herm to fail.

Wow. How do you really feel about Herm?

You'd really rather seen Trent Green lead the Dolphins into the playoffs than see Herm build a strong team?

It's one thing if you don't think Herm can build a strong team. I can understand if someone feels that way. But it's another if you don't want him to.

Well I guess you're in for a good year.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Brock

wtf

Just a hypothetical. Watching the game made me wonder if anyone here would start Green over Huard, or Croyle for that matter.

[HemiEd]

Not as long as Herm is the Coach.

I don't think the situation is the way it appeared to us.

We have to go all the way back, to when Herm accepted the position. He quickly found out, the fans were very concerned about any potential degradation of the Circus offense (#1). He promised not to mess with it.
Herm's huge ego, would not allow the offense to be bigger than him. I think he systematically took steps to dismantle the offense.
For him not to be the bad guy, and lose the fans, the offensive system had to fail on it's own.
1) Get rid of Terry Shea, an important element to Trent's success. Give him a QB coach that knew much less than the water boy.
2) Insult the very fiber of the offense, their pride. Willie Roaf says that is enough, he retires suddenly shortly after Herm takes over. This after promising Will Shields he would return.
3) Trent gets injured, making the goal so much easier to attain.
4) Upon Trents return, give him a game plan that restricts what he can do. Trent was visibly frustrated, and let his displeasure be known. He was then stripped of his leadership, that is Herm's role!
5) When the playoff game rolled around, it was the perfect stage to let Trent fail. Totally hamstring the offense with the game plan. Leave him in until nobody has a question he can no longer perform. Herm's buddy needed a SB victory to keep the dogs off anyway.

Mission complete, Dick Vermeil's Circus offense has been successfully sabotaged in only one season!

Now for some real Herm football!

[HypnotizedMonkey]

They should have never benched Rich Gannon.

[evolve27]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Not as long as Herm is the Coach.

I don't think the situation is the way it appeared to us.

We have to go all the way back, to when Herm accepted the position. He quickly found out, the fans were very concerned about any potential degradation of the Circus offense (#1). He promised not to mess with it.
Herm's huge ego, would not allow the offense to be bigger than him. I think he systematically took steps to dismantle the offense.
For him not to be the bad guy, and lose the fans, the offensive system had to fail on it's own.
1) Get rid of Terry Shea, an important element to Trent's success. Give him a QB coach that knew much less than the water boy.
2) Insult the very fiber of the offense, their pride. Willie Roaf says that is enough, he retires suddenly shortly after Herm takes over. This after promising Will Shields he would return.
3) Trent gets injured, making the goal so much easier to attain.
4) Upon Trents return, give him a game plan that restricts what he can do. Trent was visibly frustrated, and let his displeasure be known. He was then stripped of his leadership, that is Herm's role!
5) When the playoff game rolled around, it was the perfect stage to let Trent fail. Totally hamstring the offense with the game plan. Leave him in until nobody has a question he can no longer perform. Herm's buddy needed a SB victory to keep the dogs off anyway.

Mission complete, Dick Vermeil's Circus offense has been successfully sabotaged in only one season!

Now for some real Herm football!

Excellent.

[alpha_omega]

I would welcome him back as a coach or some type of front office person. But as a player...no f'in way!

[Deberg_1990]

No thanks. He had his time here and didnt get it done. Time to move forward not back.

[kcfanXIII]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Not as long as Herm is the Coach.

I don't think the situation is the way it appeared to us.

We have to go all the way back, to when Herm accepted the position. He quickly found out, the fans were very concerned about any potential degradation of the Circus offense (#1). He promised not to mess with it.
Herm's huge ego, would not allow the offense to be bigger than him. I think he systematically took steps to dismantle the offense.
For him not to be the bad guy, and lose the fans, the offensive system had to fail on it's own.
1) Get rid of Terry Shea, an important element to Trent's success. Give him a QB coach that knew much less than the water boy.
2) Insult the very fiber of the offense, their pride. Willie Roaf says that is enough, he retires suddenly shortly after Herm takes over. This after promising Will Shields he would return.
3) Trent gets injured, making the goal so much easier to attain.
4) Upon Trents return, give him a game plan that restricts what he can do. Trent was visibly frustrated, and let his displeasure be known. He was then stripped of his leadership, that is Herm's role!
5) When the playoff game rolled around, it was the perfect stage to let Trent fail. Totally hamstring the offense with the game plan. Leave him in until nobody has a question he can no longer perform. Herm's buddy needed a SB victory to keep the dogs off anyway.

Mission complete, Dick Vermeil's Circus offense has been successfully sabotaged in only one season!

Now for some real Herm football!

so what you're really trying to tell me is herm is responsible for 9/11? cause i've seen conspiracy arguments with more proof than what you're showing.

1. new head coach brings in new staff? thats a radical concept.
2. i'm sure roaf's aching back, hurt more than his pride. factored into his decision more too.
3. opening the season with the plan of hurting your starting qb is a sure fire way to win a super bowl.
4. limiting a recently returned from injury QB, again radical concept
5. after seeing film of ind vs jax, i'm sure90% of coaches would have said let's run it down their throats. no one knew indy's defense was going to show up to play.

i'm not saying herm's a football god, but to place the poor performance of the offense souly on him is to be blind and naive. the loss of two HOF line man in two years has a bigger negative impact than herm's conservative approach.

[Calcountry]

No, I wouldn't, but that is just me. Business is business. But for those of you that would, here is some dreamy eyed music to get you in the mood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMyC9dKjkrI

[Fish]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Not as long as Herm is the Coach.

I don't think the situation is the way it appeared to us.

We have to go all the way back, to when Herm accepted the position. He quickly found out, the fans were very concerned about any potential degradation of the Circus offense (#1). He promised not to mess with it.
Herm's huge ego, would not allow the offense to be bigger than him. I think he systematically took steps to dismantle the offense.
For him not to be the bad guy, and lose the fans, the offensive system had to fail on it's own.
1) Get rid of Terry Shea, an important element to Trent's success. Give him a QB coach that knew much less than the water boy.
2) Insult the very fiber of the offense, their pride. Willie Roaf says that is enough, he retires suddenly shortly after Herm takes over. This after promising Will Shields he would return.
3) Trent gets injured, making the goal so much easier to attain.
4) Upon Trents return, give him a game plan that restricts what he can do. Trent was visibly frustrated, and let his displeasure be known. He was then stripped of his leadership, that is Herm's role!
5) When the playoff game rolled around, it was the perfect stage to let Trent fail. Totally hamstring the offense with the game plan. Leave him in until nobody has a question he can no longer perform. Herm's buddy needed a SB victory to keep the dogs off anyway.

Mission complete, Dick Vermeil's Circus offense has been successfully sabotaged in only one season!

Now for some real Herm football!

I just don't understand why people keep saying Herm "dismantled" the offense, when it's fairly clear to most that the wheels fell off without any need for dismantling.

1) Shea doesn't seem to be making magic in Miami.

2) How can you possibly attribute this to Herm? Roaf left the team(especially Shields) high and dry after changing his mind. He said over and over it wasn't because of Herm... insisting that camp would probably have been easier than DV's marathon camp sessions.

3) Again, Herm did not run on the field and blast Trent in the head. He had no part in that.

4) Upon Trent's return, Trent did not have the offensive line to hang out in the pocket for minutes at a time like he's used to. They could have thrown the playbook out the window and told Trent to do whatever the hell he wanted, and he still wouldn't have gotten passes off any quicker. He simply was not the right QB behind a crappy OLine.

5) Again, I didn't see Herm out there knocking the ball out of every one of the receiver's hands. Every one of the wideouts dropped passes.

The offensive system did fail on it's own. You're correct about that. But DV had as much to do with it's failure as Herm did.

[Rausch]

Before Herm this team was one of the oldest in the league, now he's got a young (and no longer worthless) defensive line and Safety duo. We have a young WR that looks to be a stud in the future, a young QBOTF and a vet QB, and our team as a whole is getting YOUNGER.

Even if Green plays pretty good this year it won't be good enough to validate the payday he was under contract for...

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

I just don't understand why people keep saying Herm "dismantled" the offense, when it's fairly clear to most that the wheels fell off without any need for dismantling.

1) Shea doesn't seem to be making magic in Miami.

He was doing well for KC though, why was he not retained? Why put Dick Curl in that position? Of all the assistants that Herm retained, why wasn't TS one of them? The defense was the problem, they should have all been shitcanned and offense untouched.

Originally Posted by KC Fish

2) How can you possibly attribute this to Herm? Roaf left the team(especially Shields) high and dry after changing his mind. He said over and over it wasn't because of Herm... insisting that camp would probably have been easier than DV's marathon camp sessions.

I try and see past political correctness BS, since we are not behind their closed doors. I have felt this way for a long time and have seen nothing to change my mind. Herm came right out of the gate, blaming the offense for the defenses failures.

Originally Posted by KC Fish

3) Again, Herm did not run on the field and blast Trent in the head. He had no part in that.

Agreed and I don't intend to insenuate he wished any bodily harm on Trent Green.

Originally Posted by KC Fish

4) Upon Trent's return, Trent did not have the offensive line to hang out in the pocket for minutes at a time like he's used to. They could have thrown the playbook out the window and told Trent to do whatever the hell he wanted, and he still wouldn't have gotten passes off any quicker. He simply was not the right QB behind a crappy OLine.

IMO further inhibiting him was not the answer. I remember this board clamoring to let Trent audible.

Originally Posted by KC Fish

5) Again, I didn't see Herm out there knocking the ball out of every one of the receiver's hands. Every one of the wideouts dropped passes.

Why the heck is Samie Parker still on this team? Whose decision is that?

Originally Posted by KC Fish

The offensive system did fail on it's own. You're correct about that. But DV had as much to do with it's failure as Herm did.

ok

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

so what you're really trying to tell me is herm is responsible for 9/11? cause i've seen conspiracy arguments with more proof than what you're showing.

Make no mistake...




...Herm IS responsible for 9-11 AND Global Warming...