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Old 01-21-2009, 12:12 PM  
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Gunther's finger pointing has already begun...
Typical. Would expect nothing less from a guy who loves to blame everyone but himself on his failures...

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“I’ve gone through three years of playing zone defense because I was loyal to Herm Edwards,” Cunningham said today in a conference call. “That’s what he wanted. People here in town knew that I was different than that. My idea is to put a lot of pressure on the quarterback — always has been, always will be.”
This after you proclaim that you love Herm Edwards and the Cover 2 has always been a part of your scheme and that the "handcuffs" had been taken off with Herm, all while you were throwing Vermeil under the bus.

I guess Gunther really doesn't have a spine.

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“The emotions get involved, ‘Oh, we’ll play with all these young players,’ ” Cunningham said. “But what you don’t understand is, they have to be led by guys like Jared Allen.”

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“If you have a lot of young players that you’re going to draft, you have to make sure you work the whole process,” Cunningham said. “I believe the mistake we made here is that they tried to add some UFA players like Demorrio Williams. Well, he doesn’t have enough experience and enough ability to lead a bunch of rookies. …

“I can at least share what happened here and the pitfalls we ran into and see what the process brings.”
Yeah, so the answer I suppose would be signing all those UFA's you had on your list that you gave to Carl and proclaimed that Carl delivered. That Kendrell Bell, helluva leader Gun.

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Old 01-21-2009, 12:27 PM   #16
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He basically confirmed all of the things that fans have been speculating about for years:

1. Herm insisted on a cover 2 and Gun wasn't a good match for that scheme.
2. The team had no veteran leadership.
3. You don't trade away your best player, especially when it is a pass rushing DE.
4. Gun and Herm are weasels that will push women and children out of their way as they head for the lifeboats.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:27 PM   #17
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I just think its cute that people are so willing to bash Gunter, and yes he warrants bashing, but completely excuses the tampon 2...
Oh yeah, everybody here looooves the cover 2 defense.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:27 PM   #18
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I see what your point but who here is liking the Tampa 2?

IMO Gun sucks and Herm and his approach sucks also.

Can't wait until both are gone... 1 down, 1 to go.
Just saying that Gunther was part of the problem and very thankful he is gone, but the problem is deeper than just Gunther as you stated...
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:28 PM   #19
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Oh yeah, everybody here looooves the cover 2 defense.
I forgot how much you cherrished it... My appologies for saying anything bad about it...
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:28 PM   #20
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I just think its cute that people are so willing to bash Gunter, and yes he warrants bashing, but completely excuses the tampon 2...
I never said that the Tampa 2 isn't the problem, but grow some balls and do something about it. We don't have the player personnel on defense to run the Tampa 2. Gun couldn't get Herm to change his mind about using it though. Chan Gailey got it across that we needed to change the offense when it wasn't working, why coudln't Gun?
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:29 PM   #21
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He basically confirmed all of the things that fans have been speculating about for years:

1. Herm insisted on a cover 2 and Gun wasn't a good match for that scheme.
2. The team had no veteran leadership.
3. You don't trade away your best player, especially when it is a pass rushing DE.
4. Gun and Herm are weasels that will push women and children out of their way as they head for the lifeboats.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:29 PM   #22
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Gunther is getting a lot of blame...and I'm not saying he's the best defensive coordinator or talent evaluator in the league...but the failures of the Chiefs defense sit at the feet of Herm Edwards.

It's true, Gunther was running Herm's scheme....with the players Herm wanted. Not saying Gunther would have done better had he free reign to pick his players and run his overly aggressive stuff.....but this year is all Herm Edwards, imo.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:29 PM   #23
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He basically confirmed all of the things that fans have been speculating about for years:

1. Herm insisted on a cover 2 and Gun wasn't a good match for that scheme.
2. The team had no veteran leadership.
3. You don't trade away your best player, especially when it is a pass rushing DE.
4. Gun and Herm are weasels that will push women and children out of their way as they head for the lifeboats.
QFT!

I will agree to this and endorse this post....
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:30 PM   #24
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I never said that the Tampa 2 isn't the problem, but grow some balls and do something about it. We don't have the player personnel on defense to run the Tampa 2. Gun couldn't get Herm to change his mind about using it though. Chan Gailey got it across that we needed to change the offense when it wasn't working, why coudln't Gun?
Both are weak minded is my guess?
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Chan Gailey got it across that we needed to change the offense when it wasn't working, why coudln't Gun?
Just to play Devil's advocate here. Perhaps because Herm knows he is not an offensive guru but thinks he knows a lot about defense. Therefore, Herm wanted to control the defense more. I dunno, just a thought.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:31 PM   #26
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Gunther is getting a lot of blame...and I'm not saying he's the best defensive coordinator or talent evaluator in the league...but the failures of the Chiefs defense sit at the feet of Herm Edwards.

It's true, Gunther was running Herm's scheme....with the players Herm wanted. Not saying Gunther would have done better had he free reign to pick his players and run his overly aggressive stuff.....but this year is all Herm Edwards, imo.
Agree, I was never sold on Gunther in his return.. His players flopped faster than Tyler Handsjob with nobody around him...
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:31 PM   #27
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**** you Gunther!!!


Alas, it does not matter what he says about the Chiefs. All I know is that he is gone and I am happy. Hopefully, Gun will master the "32" Defense in Detroit.
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This does make him out to be a whiner (which i believe he is)....but, what he is saying does sound reasonable.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:32 PM   #29
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Just to play Devil's advocate here. Perhaps because Herm knows he is not an offensive guru but thinks he knows a lot about defense. Therefore, Herm wanted to control the defense more. I dunno, just a thought.
Very nice twisted way to look at it?
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Petro's comment from earlier today is valid:

The fact that Gunther was hired shows that at least one respected, young HC believes that the defense wasn't Gun's fault, so this puts it on the doorstep of Herm Edwards.

Petro wasn't trying to excuse Gun, and neither am I, but it was an interesting comment.
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