Football I'm sick of this Biletnikoff stuff. SICK OF IT! - Page 2

**Rain Man** · 07-24-2009, 10:25 PM

NFL Network was doing a list of the ten receivers with the best hands. Cris Carter was #1, which is not a bad call, and Raymond Berry was #2 and Steve Largent was #3. Larry Fitzgerald was #4, which was purely a media ploy.

But what really chafed me was #5. They named Fred Biletnikoff #3. Now, I'll acknowledge that he made a lot of catches, and with the help of artificial sticky substances he generally had good hands.

But for crying out loud, talk about an overrated receiver. Best hands? Hall of Fame? Gets a college award named after him? Let's compare him to the best receiver for his arch-rival, a fine gentleman named Otis Taylor.

Speed: Otis Taylor left that Raider in the dirt. Not even close.

Hands: Please. Otis Taylor by a mile. Watch the games.

Routes: Maybe even.

Big-Play Ability: Who turned a short pass into a long touchdown in a Super Bowl? Who? Otis.

Production: Over the course of their careers, Otis averaged 56 yards per game. That Raider averaged 47.

Size: Otis Taylor was a scary speciman. That Raider was small and skinny.

Blocking: See "size".

Long-term Dominance: Biletnikoff made 6 pro bowls and 2 all-pros. In those seasons, he averaged 49 catches for 781 yards. Otis made 3 pro bowls and 2 all-pros. In those seasons, he averaged 57 catches for 1076 yards.

Single-Season Dominance: Otis' best season was 58 catches for 1,297 yards and 8 TDs, averaging 22.4 yards per catch. Biletnikoff's best season was 61 catches for 1,037 yards and 17.0 yards per catch, with 6 TDs

Career Performance: Otis played in 130 games and made 410 catches for 7,306 yards and 57 TDs,17.8 yards per catch. Biletnikoff played in 190 games and made 589 catches for 8,974 yards and 76 TDs, with 15.2 yards per catch. See "longevity" below.

Longevity: This is the only area that the Raider wins, since he lasted 14 years, compared to Otis' 10 seasons (excluding one season where Otis was active but didn't catch any passes). Biletnikoff had 10 seasons where he caught 40+ passes, while Otis had 5.

So why does Biletnikoff get all the credit? He played longer, so he caught more passes. But in a typical game, Otis outplayed him, outgained him, and was a scarier guy to play against.

Man, it ticks me off that Otis doesn't get the attention, and that also-ran gets all the glory.

milkman · 07-25-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I'd have to go with Rice for hands.

He could juke, he could run, he could move, could block, but he cought the ball EVERY ****ING TIME.

I can't remember Jerry Rice ever dropping a ball...

He dropped a number of balls in his rookie season, but after that he was money.

Hammock Parties · 07-25-2009, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

I'd have to go with Rice for hands.

He could juke, he could run, he could move, could block, but he cought the ball EVERY ****ING TIME.

I can't remember Jerry Rice ever dropping a ball...

I swear I remember Rice dropping a key ball against the Chiefs as a Raider.

EyePod · 07-25-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Smed1065

Learn Bowe, Learn!

This is my hope. I saw Fitzgerald improve from the 2007 season to the 2008 season, and I couldn't believe it. I think Haley could make Jesus better at what he did. Bowe is gonna have a monster year.

**Bowser** · 07-25-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I swear I remember Rice dropping a key ball against the Chiefs as a Raider.

Correct. He had a sure touchdown bounce right off his hands. Had the corner beat by 3+ yards, too.

Halfcan · 07-25-2009, 10:44 AM

Jerry Rice is #1 in any list of WR's.

Ebolapox · 07-25-2009, 10:46 AM

I'm not old enough to have seen either on anything but a highlight reel, but from what I've read and seen on said highlight reels, give me otis taylor any day of the week and the next monday.

RJ · 07-25-2009, 11:14 AM

Biletnikoff was a good enough player for me to despise him for about 40 years now. But he was no Otis Taylor.

**alanm** · 07-25-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Jerry Rice is #1 in any list of WR's.

The list wasn't about best receiver. It was about the best hands.

RJ · 07-25-2009, 11:51 AM

Looks like a couple of people need to fess up about their votes and take the neg rep beatings they so richly deserve. And after that you can go to your rooms and think about what you've done.

Ebolapox · 07-25-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

Looks like a couple of people need to fess up about their votes and take the neg rep beatings they so richly deserve. And after that you can go to your rooms and think about what you've done.

there ARE raider fans who post here.

RJ · 07-25-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

there ARE raider fans who post here.

Some of my favorite Planeteers are Raider fans. I don't hold it against them, no more than I would a hare lip or a club foot. It's not their fault.

And I wouldn't neg rep them for their votes. I prefer public ridicule.

**Bowser** · 07-25-2009, 01:24 PM

What, no Lake Dawson?

Halfcan · 07-25-2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanm

The list wasn't about best receiver. It was about the best hands.

I would say the guy that holds every record had pretty damm good hands.

KCChiefsMan · 07-25-2009, 01:40 PM

I don't have a problem with Fitzgerald being on the list, when it's all said and done for him he will go down as one of the all time greats

**Bowser** · 07-25-2009, 01:43 PM

I really thought he won the Super Bowl (and MVP) with this catch and run....

View Poll Results: What think you - Taylor vs. Biletnikoff?
Otis was way better.	18	51.43%
Otis was a little better.	5	14.29%
Otis and Biletnikoff were about even.	2	5.71%
Biletnikoff was a little better, and please neg rep me.	0	0%
Bilenikoff was a lot better, and please neg rep me.	4	11.43%
I don't know enough to make the call on this question.	6	17.14%
Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

07-24-2009, 10:25 PM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-622449 VARSITY	I'm sick of this Biletnikoff stuff. SICK OF IT! NFL Network was doing a list of the ten receivers with the best hands. Cris Carter was #1, which is not a bad call, and Raymond Berry was #2 and Steve Largent was #3. Larry Fitzgerald was #4, which was purely a media ploy. But what really chafed me was #5. They named Fred Biletnikoff #3. Now, I'll acknowledge that he made a lot of catches, and with the help of artificial sticky substances he generally had good hands. But for crying out loud, talk about an overrated receiver. Best hands? Hall of Fame? Gets a college award named after him? Let's compare him to the best receiver for his arch-rival, a fine gentleman named Otis Taylor. Speed: Otis Taylor left that Raider in the dirt. Not even close. Hands: Please. Otis Taylor by a mile. Watch the games. Routes: Maybe even. Big-Play Ability: Who turned a short pass into a long touchdown in a Super Bowl? Who? Otis. Production: Over the course of their careers, Otis averaged 56 yards per game. That Raider averaged 47. Size: Otis Taylor was a scary speciman. That Raider was small and skinny. Blocking: See "size". Long-term Dominance: Biletnikoff made 6 pro bowls and 2 all-pros. In those seasons, he averaged 49 catches for 781 yards. Otis made 3 pro bowls and 2 all-pros. In those seasons, he averaged 57 catches for 1076 yards. Single-Season Dominance: Otis' best season was 58 catches for 1,297 yards and 8 TDs, averaging 22.4 yards per catch. Biletnikoff's best season was 61 catches for 1,037 yards and 17.0 yards per catch, with 6 TDs Career Performance: Otis played in 130 games and made 410 catches for 7,306 yards and 57 TDs,17.8 yards per catch. Biletnikoff played in 190 games and made 589 catches for 8,974 yards and 76 TDs, with 15.2 yards per catch. See "longevity" below. Longevity: This is the only area that the Raider wins, since he lasted 14 years, compared to Otis' 10 seasons (excluding one season where Otis was active but didn't catch any passes). Biletnikoff had 10 seasons where he caught 40+ passes, while Otis had 5. So why does Biletnikoff get all the credit? He played longer, so he caught more passes. But in a typical game, Otis outplayed him, outgained him, and was a scarier guy to play against. Man, it ticks me off that Otis doesn't get the attention, and that also-ran gets all the glory.
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07-25-2009, 10:44 AM	#20
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	Jerry Rice is #1 in any list of WR's.
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07-25-2009, 10:46 AM	#21
Ebolapox remember, remember Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: como Casino cash: $-1720097	I'm not old enough to have seen either on anything but a highlight reel, but from what I've read and seen on said highlight reels, give me otis taylor any day of the week and the next monday.
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07-25-2009, 11:14 AM	#22
RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9895202	Biletnikoff was a good enough player for me to despise him for about 40 years now. But he was no Otis Taylor.
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07-25-2009, 11:51 AM	#24
RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9895202	Looks like a couple of people need to fess up about their votes and take the neg rep beatings they so richly deserve. And after that you can go to your rooms and think about what you've done.
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07-25-2009, 01:24 PM	#27
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-158384	What, no Lake Dawson?
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07-25-2009, 01:40 PM	#29
KCChiefsMan AIC Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Roxbury, MA Casino cash: $10004900	I don't have a problem with Fitzgerald being on the list, when it's all said and done for him he will go down as one of the all time greats
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07-25-2009, 01:43 PM	#30
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-158384	I really thought he won the Super Bowl (and MVP) with this catch and run....
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