Football Outsiders Ranks Matt Cassel 44th of 46 QBs

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Giving him a ranking of 463 yards below replacement level.

QBs who finished behind Cassel: Stafford and Russell.

QBs who finished ahead of Cassel: Everyone else in the NFL who threw more than 100 passes.

On a positive note, he was 38/46 on a per play basis, narrowly edging out Josh Freeman.


On another positive note, Brodie Croyle would have finished 25 had he accumulated enough attempts.

Top 5 QBs (In order)

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Rivers
4. Brees
5. Favre

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

[Chiefnj2]

I don't see how Delhomme comes out ahead of Cassel. Jake had better weapons, the same completion %, but had more than 2x as many TDs to INts as Cassel did.

[DaneMcCloud]

It's a process

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.

HARK! The second horseman of the Apo-cassel-ypse has swooped into the thread on his equine terror mount! Avert your eyes from missing the playoffs by one game...he is Deeznutz, horseman of the four interceptions thrown to the Buffalo Bills in a 2005 road game.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?

BEHOLD! It is the third horseman of the Apo-cassel-ypse, descending upon us like a specter of the kentucky derby! Quiver in fear at the sight of the game manager who wobble launches his team into hell...he is OnTheWarpath58, horsemen of the why the **** are we starting this old guy instead of Croyle?

[DaWolf]

Then again, he was ranked 17th last year, his first year starting.

Cutler tumbled from 5 to 37. Is it the player or the environment/coaches?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

GoChiefs is throwing 97 with movement right now.

[B_Ambuehl]

Cassell doesn't have what it takes mentally to be a successful NFL QB. If you watch him throw the ball, assess his knowledge of the game, time his speed, agility, and overall athletic ability, you get what should be a pretty decent NFL QB. But when you actually throw him into the fire and have him use all that in an actual game he shits the bed. What should be a mobile and pocket savvy QB turns into one that lacks pocket awareness and repeatedly makes his O line look like shit (see the number of sacks he took in New England last year). Throws that appear easy for him in a relaxed setting appear next to impossible. Progressions that he can mentally do in his sleep in a meeting room he never gets to in a game.

A good percentage of QB failures are great hardworking, intelligent guys but just don't have what it takes. Compare those type of guys to someone like Brett Favre, who practically won an MVP trophy before he even knew what a nickel defense was. Cassell's not a gamer and likely never will be.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.

what's an Obama?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

GoChiefs is throwing 97 with movement right now.

I just wish we could get all four horsemen in the same thread.

Then the world ends.

[Mile High Mania]

Orton = #12 up from #21 a year ago...

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Then again, he was ranked 17th last year, his first year starting.

Cutler tumbled from 5 to 37. Is it the player or the environment/coaches?

depends..

if you like the player, his failure is always the coaches fault, his success is his own, despite the coach..

if you don't like the player, it's the coaches fault for putting him on the team.

if you don't like the coach, the player can do no wrong or is being misused.

if you like the coach, it's the player's fault.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by stevieray

depends..

if you like the player, his failure is always the coaches fault, his success is his own, despite the coach..

if you don't like the player, it's the coaches fault for putting him on the team.

if you don't like the coach, the player can do no wrong or is being misused.

if you like the coach, it's the player's fault.

Stark binarism!! FTL!!

[Brock]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Cassell doesn't have what it takes mentally to be a successful NFL QB. If you watch him throw the ball, assess his knowledge of the game, time his speed, agility, and overall athletic ability, you get what should be a pretty decent NFL QB. But when you actually throw him into the fire and have him use all that in an actual game he shits the bed. What should be a mobile and pocket savvy QB turns into one that lacks pocket awareness and repeatedly makes his O line look like shit (see the number of sacks he took in New England last year). Throws that appear easy for him in a relaxed setting appear next to impossible. Progressions that he can mentally do in his sleep in a meeting room he never gets to in a game.

A good percentage of QB failures are great hardworking, intelligent guys but just don't have what it takes. Compare those type of guys to someone like Brett Favre, who practically won an MVP trophy before he even knew what a nickel defense was. Cassell's not a gamer and likely never will be.

I pretty much agree with all of that. All you can do is hope he improves, it's happened before I guess.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Orton = #12 up from #21 a year ago...

Trent Green went from 25 to 3 once we upgraded the offense in 2002.

Interestingly, Elvis Grbac was 6 in 1999 and 4 in 2000...

[Tribal Warfare]

PASSING, OTHERS: 10-99 passes

Player	Team	DYAR	YAR	DVOA	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
T.Jackson	MIN	111	132	80.2%	97.7%	21	201	249	1	0	0	0	66.7%
B.Croyle	KC	80	41	20.3%	5.3%	43	212	323	2	1	0	0	57.5%
D.Carr	NYG	72	84	23.8%	29.5%	35	213	265	1	1	0	0	65.6%
B.Volek	SD	72	83	22.2%	27.0%	32	230	272	1	0	0	1	64.5%
C.Pennington	MIA	23	55	-6.6%	-0.1%	78	383	436	1	1	1	1	70.8%
M.Vick	PHI	6	13	-4.7%	3.0%	13	86	82	1	0	0	0	46.2%
B.Hoyer	NE	6	7	-7.9%	-7.2%	29	124	146	0	0	0	0	70.4%
M.Leinart	ARI	4	25	-10.4%	-6.1%	80	445	401	0	0	0	3	66.2%
D.Dixon	PIT	-5	-29	-14.7%	-30.2%	26	145	114	1	0	0	1	46.2%
M.Flynn	GB	-31	-26	-46.0%	-39.8%	14	88	29	0	0	0	1	58.3%
Player	Team	DYAR	YAR	DVOA	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
K.Clemens	NYJ	-38	-48	-33.8%	-39.8%	29	105	83	0	1	0	0	52.0%
M.Brunell	NO	-67	-109	-46.3%	-68.3%	31	93	62	0	0	0	1	50.0%
J.T.O'Sullivan	CIN	-77	-102	-143.9%	-186.7%	14	9	-58	0	0	2	0	40.0%
C.Frye	OAK	-78	-55	-23.1%	-19.6%	94	550	418	1	0	0	4	62.4%
T.Collins	WAS	-79	-63	-71.5%	-59.6%	26	123	-2	0	2	0	0	52.2%
B.Brohm	BUF	-83	-42	-51.2%	-31.5%	31	138	54	0	0	0	2	58.6%
C.Painter	IND	-133	-192	-78.9%	-109.5%	31	67	-23	0	0	1	2	28.6%
C.Simms	DEN	-171	-159	-154.0%	-144.2%	22	-16	-135	0	0	1	1	29.4%
D.Stanton	DET	-242	-295	-74.8%	-88.6%	57	236	-23	0	0	1	6	51.0%

but Brodie Croyle sucks