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Old 04-23-2012, 12:32 PM  
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Here it is – my first mock draft. A moment I will savor forever. Here’s how I am doing it: I will choose players based on my film study and my sense of team needs. I have no idea what different teams draft boards look like, nor will I try to speculate what a team might be thinking. The main objective of my mock is to further discuss the top players by putting them in a draft format. One other caveat: I am disregarding documented off-field problems, character issues, anything that is not a function of on-field play. I understand that teams significantly factor that into the equation, but I am solely basing my player evaluations on what’s on the tape. That’s what I do. I watch tape.

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Old 04-24-2012, 09:26 PM   #16
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I actually have Reuben Randle going to Cleveland at 22 as well.

Everything else in this mock is insanity. Sure, you can add in all the disclaimers all you want, but that doesn't excuse you from putting out an abortion of a mock
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:32 PM   #17
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Everything else in this mock is insanity. Sure, you can add in all the disclaimers all you want, but that doesn't excuse you from putting out an abortion of a mock
A couple of tweets from him before putting out his mock:

"I am not keeping score in my mock. Not looking to win a contest. In fact, my explanations will be more important than my picks."

"Main goal of my mock will be to further eval players by placing them in draft format. Based solely on film study + my sense of team needs"

I'd guess he would prefer not to do a mock, but you almost have to in order for your opinions to be read. I certainly don't agree with some of his stuff, but reading the evaluations is pretty useful. Other than Jenkins and Gilmore being that high and Kalil too low, I don't think anything else was out of the realm of possibility.
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:44 PM   #18
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:55 PM   #19
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I definitely agree with Gilmore/Jenkins being high (although, not the 3rd best player based off of film analysis), due to this becoming a passing league. Having an above avg secondary e having an excellent pass rush is crucial now.
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:23 PM   #20
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It's the "talent"/BPA mock. So keep that in mind.

That said, he's a ****ing idiot for thinking that Gilmore and Jenkins are better CBs than Claiborne.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:59 AM   #21
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It's the "talent"/BPA mock. So keep that in mind.

That said, he's a ****ing idiot for thinking that Gilmore and Jenkins are better CBs than Claiborne.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:33 AM   #22
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Reading that makes me realize that we're in a really good position right now. We don't really have any glaring needs (other than QB), so we can just sit back and see what happens.

If Tannehill falls to us, we can take him and we (hopefully) get our QB of the future.

If we take someone like Kalil (if he falls) or DeCastro, our offensive line suddenly has the potential to be very, very good...one of the best.

If we take Kuechly, as this guy says, may well have the best 3-4 linebacking unit in the NFL.

We have the luxury of really going in a lot of different directions based on who's available when we pick.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:43 AM   #23
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This dude officially has the worst mock I have ever seen. Kalil at #13? Gilmore and Jenkins gone before Claiborne? I stopped after about the top 15. Jenkins is 1st round talent, but 7th round mind. No team will take a chance on him with a first rounder.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:53 AM   #24
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having two Derrick Johnson's on the team isn't necessarily a bad thing ... Kuechly and Johnson can both cover and stay on the field all the time.

potentially we could walk Houston up to the LOS and go with a 5-2-4 look.

Hali/Houston coming off the edge
Kuechly/Johnson splitting the fielding at LB's
Flowers/Routt bump and run
Berry playing shallow on the strongside
Lewis playing centerfield(because that's the only thing he does well)
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:03 AM   #25
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having two Derrick Johnson's on the team isn't necessarily a bad thing ... Kuechly and Johnson can both cover and stay on the field all the time.

potentially we could walk Houston up to the LOS and go with a 5-2-4 look.

Hali/Houston coming off the edge
Kuechly/Johnson splitting the fielding at LB's
Flowers/Routt bump and run
Berry playing shallow on the strongside
Lewis playing centerfield(because that's the only thing he does well)
Another point on Kuechly that I heard yesterday and I thought was a good point. You have an ILB that can cover, and that helps your red zone defense immensely. He and DJ in coverage in the red zone would be about as good as you're going to get most likely.
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Reading that makes me realize that we're in a really good position right now. We don't really have any glaring needs (other than QB), so we can just sit back and see what happens.

If Tannehill falls to us, we can take him and we (hopefully) get our QB of the future.

If we take someone like Kalil (if he falls) or DeCastro, our offensive line suddenly has the potential to be very, very good...one of the best.

If we take Kuechly, as this guy says, may well have the best 3-4 linebacking unit in the NFL.

We have the luxury of really going in a lot of different directions based on who's available when we pick.
That's exactly where I'm at with this 1st round pick. Even if someone exciting doesn't fall to us and we end up with a DeCastro or Kuechly, we still upgrade a position with a guy who's considered the best at his position in this draft. If we throw a curve and go with a Melvin Ingram, great, we got a pass rusher and you can't have too many of those. I'd even be ok with Poe considering he'll be tutored by Crennell and company. Position of need, more than capable physically, etc.
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:09 AM   #28
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having two Derrick Johnson's on the team isn't necessarily a bad thing ... Kuechly and Johnson can both cover and stay on the field all the time.

potentially we could walk Houston up to the LOS and go with a 5-2-4 look.

Hali/Houston coming off the edge
Kuechly/Johnson splitting the fielding at LB's
Flowers/Routt bump and run
Berry playing shallow on the strongside
Lewis playing centerfield(because that's the only thing he does well)
And if the QB audibles into an inside run, you're one missed assignment inside from having a guy split your defense for 20 yards.

It's not a formation I'd be real excited about running on 1st or 2nd down. And I am once again not a fan of taking a 'sub package' player with a 1st round pick - hence my reluctance to get excited about Ingram or Mercilus.

I just hate the idea of taking Kuechly when I think a guy like Hightower can give you 90% of what Kuechly can do in space and do a much better job with 'Ted backer things' like sticking his nose up into the gap or re-routing a TE over the middle. Further, I think you can get Hightower 10 spots lower (or perhaps more).
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And if the QB audibles into an inside run, you're one missed assignment inside from having a guy split your defense for 20 yards.
You can say the same thing about any blitz or aggressive defense package.

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it would be more of a passing down formation


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And I am once again not a fan of taking a 'sub package' player with a 1st round pick - hence my reluctance to get excited about Ingram or Mercilus.

I just hate the idea of taking Kuechly when I think a guy like Hightower can give you 90% of what Kuechly can do in space and do a much better job with 'Ted backer things' like sticking his nose up into the gap or re-routing a TE over the middle. Further, I think you can get Hightower 10 spots lower (or perhaps more).
once again we are looking at the options

DeCastro - too high for a guard
Kuechly - too high for a ILB
Barron - too high for a SS



if we can't trade down then what are we going to do? Take a 2nd round player at another position just to avoid taking a position not normally ranked high?
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You can say the same thing about any blitz or aggressive defense package.

it would be more of a passing down formation



once again we are looking at the options

DeCastro - too high for a guard
Kuechly - too high for a ILB
Barron - too high for a SS



if we can't trade down then what are we going to do? Take a 2nd round player at another position just to avoid taking a position not normally ranked high?
Brockers or DeCastro.

I disagree with the consensus that 11 is 'too high for a guard'. With short passing being so popular now, more and more teams are going to look to collapsing the middle to deal with that. I think the guard position is now close to RT in terms of overall importance.

But even assuming you believe 11 to be too high for a guard - He's going to go in the top 16(ish). Is there really a massive gulf between 11 and 16? If you think a guy is good enough to take at 16 or even 18 and you can't engineer a trade-back...well shit happens, take him at 11.

If you're looking at a whole bunch of positions that are all positions of slightly lesser importance, then give me the one that's going to spend the most time on the field. That's going to be Brockers or DeCastro.
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