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Old 11-04-2018, 05:23 PM   #1
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That intentional grounding penalty on the spike was dogshit and the wrong call

The replay later showed the playclock running when the snap happened
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:25 PM   #2
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That intentional grounding penalty on the spike was dogshit and the wrong call

The replay later showed the playclock running when the snap happened
Play clock running, game clock was not - correct call, and on Reid/Mahomes.

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Old 11-04-2018, 05:29 PM   #3
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That intentional grounding penalty on the spike was used dogshit and the wrong call

The replay later showed the playclock running when the snap happened
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:21 PM   #4
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That intentional grounding penalty on the spike was dogshit and the wrong call

The replay later showed the playclock running when the snap happened
I understand it was the clock needed to run off at least one second before the ball could be snapped. Ticky tack if you ask me, but that’s my understanding of it
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:32 PM   #5
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I understand it was the clock needed to run off at least one second before the ball could be snapped. Ticky tack if you ask me, but that’s my understanding of it
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Yeah that's pretty clear. I guess this Casebook isn't really available online?
Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.


The Browns got a penalty to stop the clock on the previous play.

The spike by Mahomes was not to prevent time from running off the game clock, BECAUSE THE CLOCK WAS NOT RUNNING AT THE SNAP - instead, Mahomes says he snapped and spiked the ball to save time on the clock from the field of play and to save the timeout...which in that instance, per the rules, the QB has to throw towards a receiver or leave the pocket and throw toward the LOS, or it's IG.

The clock has to be running in order to line up and spike the ball to save time, or its not a legal spike.


Mahomes says he was trying to stop the clock and save the timeout at the end of the half...and that Full Reidtard didn't know he couldn't do that.



That's on Reid for not knowing the rules.
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Old 11-04-2018, 09:44 PM   #6
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No.


Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.


The Browns got a penalty to stop the clock on the previous play.

The spike by Mahomes was not to prevent time from running off the game clock, BECAUSE THE CLOCK WAS NOT RUNNING AT THE SNAP - instead, Mahomes says he snapped and spiked the ball to save time on the clock from the field of play and to save the timeout...which in that instance, per the rules, the QB has to throw towards a receiver or leave the pocket and throw toward the LOS, or it's IG.

The clock has to be running in order to line up and spike the ball to save time, or its not a legal spike.


Mahomes says he was trying to stop the clock and save the timeout at the end of the half...and that Full Reidtard didn't know he couldn't do that.



That's on Reid for not knowing the rules.
The refs started the clock, the ball was snapped before a second came off. If the snap came a second later it would not have been an intentional grounding. Per the ref announcer guy.
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Old 11-04-2018, 10:48 PM   #7
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The refs started the clock, the ball was snapped before a second came off. If the snap came a second later it would not have been an intentional grounding. Per the ref announcer guy.
I don't give a **** what the ref announcer said.

The PLAY CLOCK started.

25 seconds.

The GAME CLOCK was at 9 seconds, and due to the penalty by the Browns on the previous play, would not start until the ball was snapped.

MAHOMES said he thought he could spike the ball there, and Reid didn't know he couldn't either.

The rules states clearly that the QB can only legally spike the ball FROM UNDER CENTER and SPECIFICALLY TO SAVE TIME ON THE GAME CLOCK WHILE THE GAME CLOCK IS RUNNING.

The QB can ONLY spike the ball to save time on a running GAME clock.

the refs set and ran the PLAY clock.

It's in the rule book :

. https://nflcommunications.com/Docume...20Rulebook.pdf

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A.R. 8.87 INTENTIONAL GROUNDING—SPIKE TO CONSUME TIME
First-and-10 on B30. The game clock is stopped with six seconds left in the first half. QBA1 takes the snap and
immediately spikes the ball into the ground to take one second off the clock so that a field-goal attempt will run out

the clock.
Ruling: Half over. Intentional grounding and a 10-second runoff. A QB can only spike the ball to stop a running game
clock. An attempt to take time off the clock is intentional grounding.
Mahomes admitted that is exactly what he tried to do, and that he didn't know that he couldn't do that...and neither did Reid.

So the refs called it 100% correctly and so Reid screwed the pooch.

It's sad that I know that rule better than the announcers AND the coach.
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:27 PM   #8
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Old 11-04-2018, 05:41 PM   #9
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Vicks and NyQuil... sorry to hear the weather still has ya down, get well soon

I'm honestly not mad about anything other than the refs today, for all intents and purposes the game was in hand midway through the 3rd

The defense did just about as well as I expected, and we won handily by 16... four points better than my predicted score of 34 - 26

We took care of business on the road, full stop

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Old 11-04-2018, 09:57 PM   #10
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I was watching highlights of the game today....
His first 4 or 5 throws to Kelce are flat out insane. A few of them might rank as some of his best throws of the year, and that's a very high bar.


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Old 11-04-2018, 05:44 PM   #11
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Stopped on all three two point attempts..this is a good thing and shouldn't be taken lightly.
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^ you’re so very right on point about all that right there.
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Great read. I think when we get some players back on d we will look better but tackling is the big thing wrap up those guys and we'll be fine.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:12 PM   #15
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It's funny...the game was never really in doubt for me because Mahomes. But...I found myself getting mad a a defense that allowed 21 points on the road to an actually pretty good offense. I guess it was the penalties. I was never worried about losing THIS game...but I keep thinking of the playoffs when we will NOT be facing a piece of shit like the Underwear Stains...We just need to be better on defense. They show signs from time to time, and it's not been enough to hurt us this far, but...come the playoffs...I just hope they have their collective shit together.

Great write up as always Georgey boy. Hope you feel better soon.
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