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Old 08-31-2023, 10:23 AM  
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TJ Hockenson sets the TE market
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Old 08-31-2023, 10:42 AM   #16
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Well, everyone has always said that a good tight end is a young quarterback's best friend. He's young, so he can be a good weapon to help a young quarterback grow. I know that he's no Kelce. But Kelce was certainly a huge help for Mahomes development.
It's just hard for me to grasp the idea of setting the market at TE and WR within a year of each other.
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Old 08-31-2023, 10:42 AM   #17
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Cousins is better than them just because he never gets hurt and isn't pouty.

He takes a ton of shits behind a bad line and still gets the job done.
That's the thing. Jimmy G does his Jimmy G thing when he's healthy and everything is going right around him, but I've never really seen him mask deficiencies on his team. Some starter on the OL is hurt? Too many injuries at WR? He turns to dog shit.

Kirk has NEVER had a complete OL in Minnesota. There's either been weaknesses at the interior or weaknesses at tackle. If Darrisaw stays healthy, this might be the first year he has an actual reliable OL to work with. I'll betcha this will end up being the best season he's had in his career.
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Old 08-31-2023, 10:43 AM   #18
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Those Hawkeye TEs!

Waller is the one who doesn't deserve getting paid, TJ is legit and frankly worth that kind of $ IMO. Now, I agree, he doesn't come close to Kelce, but nobody does.
Everyone is gonna think Waller is ****ing great now, he is going to get by far the most targets in New Yorks offense.
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Old 08-31-2023, 10:44 AM   #19
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Market resetting? Uh, he got $17.1M per year. Waller is getting $17M. Kittle is 3rd at. $15M. If anyone reset the market it would have been Waller.
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Old 08-31-2023, 10:47 AM   #21
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Old 08-31-2023, 10:48 AM   #22
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Cousins is better than them just because he never gets hurt and isn't pouty.

He takes a ton of shits behind a bad line and still gets the job done.
Yes, if the job is "watching big games from your couch".

Cousins hasn't proven he's any better than the rest of the mediocre-tier QBs.
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Yes, if the job is "watching big games from your couch".

Cousins hasn't proven he's any better than the rest of the mediocre-tier QBs.
He's basically Top 10 every year. 22+ teams would be upgraded by having him instead of whomever they currently have. And he's nowhere near the tier of Garoppolo.
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The Vikings are so weird...

They have massive cap problems, they have to pay Jefferson, everything is positioned for them to move on from Cousins and go into a serious rebuild. The defense is also really really bad and needs a total overhaul..

And then they do this, I don't get it.
Perhaps have a reliable TE and elite WR for when they break in a new QB on a rookie contract?
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It's just hard for me to grasp the idea of setting the market at TE and WR within a year of each other.
Why? Would it have been stupid to pay Hill and Kelce? I know that's water under the bridge, but you can pay a TE and a WR. It.s not the the Vikings are paying huge money to another offensive weapon besides their QB. Hell do they even have a stud defensive player they need to take care of?
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It's just hard for me to grasp the idea of setting the market at TE and WR within a year of each other.
Yeah. I get that. But, if they do end up going with a quarterback on a rookie deal, they should be able to afford it.
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Why? Would it have been stupid to pay Hill and Kelce? I know that's water under the bridge, but you can pay a TE and a WR. It.s not the the Vikings are paying huge money to another offensive weapon besides their QB. Hell do they even have a stud defensive player they need to take care of?
They need an entire new defense...and they hired a DC that needs some high dollar players to make his scheme work.
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They need an entire new defense...and they hired a DC that needs some high dollar players to make his scheme work.
Well....at least their STs coach doesn't need 6 'ST Aces' to cover a punt worth a shit.

So I guess they've got that going for them...
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