Bailey Rumors - Page 2

HuddleClubKid · 02-22-2004, 09:57 AM

Just read a recent post on Bailey on the Insiders.. It sounded like the Chiefs were closing in on a deal.. What have you guys heard?

Link: http://story.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=236269

I read that Gibbs was so-so on Bailey. Chiefs need this guy badly!!!!

TRR · 02-22-2004, 11:21 AM

I don't mind giving up two first round picks for Champ Bailey. It's the money he will command that scares me. I want John Tait and Jerome Woods back. Especially John Tait. If Bailey is going to command so much money that we cannot re-sign our own, then I don't want him.

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I know this isn't the most credible source,but The Chiefs should pull the trigger on this.You would think with players like Crockett they would have learned their lessons.It may cost a little more but in the long-run we will be money ahead.The position will be solidified for the next seven years and we won't have to worry about finding a premier CB or taking a cap hit because his play has deteriorated.Even looking at from strictly a business standpoint,the Chiefs will defintely sell more tickets,merchandise,ect...and show the fans that they are committed to going all the way.This is a no-brainer,get Champ Bailey.

But are CP & company really worried about the long run.........??????

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I don't mind giving up two first round picks for Champ Bailey. It's the money he will command that scares me. I want John Tait and Jerome Woods back. Especially John Tait. If Bailey is going to command so much money that we cannot re-sign our own, then I don't want him.

You would think some of the players might step and rework their deals to free up some $$$$$$

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LVNHACK

But are CP & company really worried about the long run.........??????

Even in the short-term, Bailey is the best fit.

Chieficus · 02-22-2004, 11:25 AM

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Which pair of guys below is worth what Champ Bailey would be worth to us?

Chiefs #1 & #2 picks:

2003 - Larry Johnson, Kawika Mitchell
2002 - Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman
2001 - (didn't pick until 3rd)
2000 - Eric Downing, Snoop Minnis
1999 - John Tait, Mike Cloud
1998 - Victor Riley, Rashaan Shehee
1997 - Tony Gonzalez, Kevin Lockett
1996 - Jerome Woods, Reggie Tongue
1995 - Trezelle Jenkins, Tamarick Vanover
1994 - Greg Hill, Donnell Bennett
1993 - (didn't pick until 3rd)
1992 - Dale Carter, Matt Blundin
1991 - Harvey Williams, Joe Valerio
1990 - Percy Snow, Time Grunhard
1989 - Derrick Thomas, Mike Elkins

A couple of these are difficult given that one of the picks was great and the other was not so great...

I would say for sure, I'd rather have the '89, '96, and '97 over Bailey. Would even take '92 because while Carter was with us he functioned well as a top "shut down" corner. '90 and '99 would be a tough call--for its hard to tell what the team would have been like with out Grunhard and will be like without Tait. I think there's a lot of potential in that 2002 draft that could end up being big for us...so keep them as well.

I believe in 2000 we actually took Sly Morris and Snoop was a thrid rounder in 2001...either way they both thus far have panned out the same and weren't worth it. So that one and the rest...heck ya'...trade away...

TRR · 02-22-2004, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Even in the short-term, Bailey is the best fit.

I'm not into giving up a 1st and 2nd round pick for the short term. I know our picks haven't been great, but Bailey will command a lot of money. If we were to give up a 1 and 2 for him, I want more than a couple of years out of him.

Chieficus · 02-22-2004, 11:28 AM

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You would think some of the players might step and rework their deals to free up some $$$$$$

Think? I expect it. We have some talent on offense that deserves to be paid then we have some pay on offense that deserves better talent...there should be some willingness though in both cases if these guys are serious about their "team" talk and really wanting to get to the big dance...

I guess we'll see, won't we...

philfree · 02-22-2004, 11:29 AM

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You would think some of the players might step and rework their deals to free up some $$$$$$

Let's hope so. We should enough to sign Tait, Woods and Bailey with the extra $2mil added to the cap though. That would put us at about $6mil under. Woods is counting a pretty good lick against the cap right now so if we can re-sign him we should have even more room to work with. I think the we can't afford anyone but our own FAs is a ruse.

PhilFree

DenverChief · 02-22-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I don't mind giving up two first round picks for Champ Bailey. It's the money he will command that scares me. I want John Tait and Jerome Woods back. Especially John Tait. If Bailey is going to command so much money that we cannot re-sign our own, then I don't want him.

Or we could throw around the transition an franchise tags...

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieficus

A couple of these are difficult given that one of the picks was great and the other was not so great...

I would say for sure, I'd rather have the '89, '96, and '97 over Bailey. Would even take '92 because while Carter was with us he functioned well as a top "shut down" corner. '90 and '99 would be a tough call--for its hard to tell what the team would have been like with out Grunhard and will be like without Tait. I think there's a lot of potential in that 2002 draft that could end up being big for us...so keep them as well.

I believe in 2000 we actually took Sly Morris and Snoop was a thrid rounder in 2001...either way they both thus far have panned out the same and weren't worth it. So that one and the rest...heck ya'...trade away...

Good points and the way I see it is Bailey would be our first rounder.Not a bad return for the 30th overall pick,eh?A GUARANTEED Pro Bowler 4 times running.Picking at 30 overall doesn't guarantee anything for us.Bailey is PROVEN.Some of the more recent articles indicate we could get Bailey for less than two first rounders.I don't think the picks are the obstacle.The money is the sticking point,but even then with only a two year window,the Chiefs should be more than willing to solidify the defense.I think the Chiefs should be willing to give more in a signing bonus,which is guaranteed money, in an effort to land him.

Wile_E_Coyote · 02-22-2004, 11:35 AM

as far as the AFC West is concerned, do the Chiefs really need a Champ Bailey?

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Even in the short-term, Bailey is the best fit.

I agree,........It also opens up the possibility that CP & company will mortgage the future to win now.....I don't buy for a minute that they'll stand pat and not make a big play, the future is now.......

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I'm not into giving up a 1st and 2nd round pick for the short term. I know our picks haven't been great, but Bailey will command a lot of money. If we were to give up a 1 and 2 for him, I want more than a couple of years out of him.

I said LONG-TERM originally,The only reason I mentioned short-term is because LVNHACK mentioned it.When I say short-term I'm referring to Vermeil's and Carl's window to get it done,not the length of contract.I would FULLY EXPECT Bailey to be signed to a long-term deal.

Chieficus · 02-22-2004, 11:38 AM

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as far as the AFC West is concerned, do the Chiefs really need a Champ Bailey?

Since when did we set out merely to win the AFC West?

LVNHACK · 02-22-2004, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieficus

A couple of these are difficult given that one of the picks was great and the other was not so great...

I would say for sure, I'd rather have the '89, '96, and '97 over Bailey. Would even take '92 because while Carter was with us he functioned well as a top "shut down" corner. '90 and '99 would be a tough call--for its hard to tell what the team would have been like with out Grunhard and will be like without Tait. I think there's a lot of potential in that 2002 draft that could end up being big for us...so keep them as well.

I believe in 2000 we actually took Sly Morris and Snoop was a thrid rounder in 2001...either way they both thus far have panned out the same and weren't worth it. So that one and the rest...heck ya'...trade away...

Thats 3 of 15 years........Those aren't good odds.........

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TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9420185	I don't mind giving up two first round picks for Champ Bailey. It's the money he will command that scares me. I want John Tait and Jerome Woods back. Especially John Tait. If Bailey is going to command so much money that we cannot re-sign our own, then I don't want him.
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