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Old 12-08-2011, 09:08 AM  
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Pujols signs w Angels
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:19 AM   #331
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He was the spark that ignited our playoff run - I realize he's not what he was, especially at the plate, but he's still a damn solid defender and can be had for cheap.
Yep, "stats" don't tell the whole story in his case.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:23 AM   #332
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Yep, "stats" don't tell the whole story in his case.
Without him we finish 10 games out, and this Pujols thing is about 100 times worse that it is already.

Even though he didn't hit worth a **** in the World Series, his defense never wavered.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:23 AM   #333
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Interesting article in Forbes from Thursday.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2...o-los-angeles/

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On Thursday morning Albert Pujols signed a $254 million, 10-year contract with the Los Angeles Angels.

My gut sense is that all 3 players in this drama are winners…albeit to varying degrees.

But if we focus on Albert’s motivation, it actually isn’t all about the money when you factor in cost-of-living and tax discrepancies.

This makes it all the more clear that there were extenuating circumstances considered by Team Albert in making this move.

Namely:

- How the designated hitter will maintain his performance value more in the American League than the National League;

- The ethnic connection with the Hispanic/Latino population of Southern California.

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In the end, the LA Angels offered Albert more gross income. But given the higher cost of living and higher taxes in CA compared to MO, was the Angels’ offered actually more lucrative than the Cardinals?

I don’t think so.

CNN Money provides cost-of-living comparison calculators based on data provided by researchers at The Council for Community and Economic Research which compares key expenses in housing, utilities, transportation and health care across numerous U.S. cities. The data reflects averages across the last 3 quarters of 2009 and the first quarter of 2010.

The St Louis Cardinals were going to offer Albert Pujols roughly $22 million per season over 9 seasons. According to the calculator, one would have to earn $33.1 million living in Los Angeles to account for the cost-of-living discrepancies. (Bankrate.com arrives at very similar figures.) Whereas groceries, utilities, transportation and health care are each roughly 10% higher in LA than in St Louis, housing is 178% higher.

So maybe don’t live in the Hollywood Hills, Albert. You wouldn’t want the commute from Hollywood to Anaheim anyways.

And we haven’t even accounted for differences in state income tax rates, sales tax rates, or property taxes.

California state income tax for someone of Albert’s means will be 10.3% versus 6.5% as an employee of a business located within the city of St Louis (6% MO sales tax + 0.5% earnings tax for all locals that either work or live in St Louis City).

The taxation of athletes’ salaries gets tricky since they get taxed based on where they play their games, but we know that – for 2012 – 52% of Albert’s $22 million gross with the Cardinals would have been earned in Missouri while 59% of his $25.4 million with the Angels will be earned in California.

Thus, his CA state income tax bill will be roughly $1.54 million in 2012. That’s $25.4 million * 59% of his games in CA * 10.3% state tax rate (81 games at Angel Stadium, 9 road games at Oakland, 3 road games versus the Dodgers, and 3 road games at San Diego).

Had he stayed in St Louis, his MO state income tax bill would have been roughly $743,600. That’s $22 million * 52% of his games in MO * 6.5% state tax rate (81 games at Busch and 3 games in Kansas City).

Meanwhile, his sales taxes could range between 7.75-8.75% depending upon where he chooses to live within the greater Los Angeles region. Comparatively, the typical sales tax rate in St Louis County is roughly 6.3%.

In short, the Angels deal offers Albert more gross income but lower purchasing power when all these factors are considered.

Alas, let’s not shed a tear for King Albert…I think he’ll find a way to meek out an existence.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:35 AM   #334
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Without him we finish 10 games out, and this Pujols thing is about 100 times worse that it is already.

Even though he didn't hit worth a **** in the World Series, his defense never wavered.
I disagre. Furcal stopped the bleeding at SS but before Dotel and Repczynski our bullpen gave away a lot of games. The players were talking about the difference Dotel's experience and voice meant in the bullpen.
I think the bullpen acquisitions is what made the turn around not Furcal.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:44 AM   #335
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I disagre. Furcal stopped the bleeding at SS but before Dotel and Repczynski our bullpen gave away a lot of games. The players were talking about the difference Dotel's experience and voice meant in the bullpen.
I think the bullpen acquisitions is what made the turn around not Furcal.
Why can't both answers be right? They don't make it without the improved bullpen and they don't make it without Furcal. It took alot of contributing factors. A lame cliche, but it really was a true team effort.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:55 AM   #336
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Albert Pujols never chose St. Louis; in 1999, he was selected by them and told he could not negotiate with any other MLB franchise. In 2002, after having one of the great rookie seasons of all time and nearly winning the league MVP, the Cardinals paid him $600,000. (That same offseason, first baseman Jason Giambi signed a contract for about $17 million a year.) In 2003, after Pujols finished second in the MVP balloting the previous year, the Cardinals paid Pujols $900,000. (Vladimir Guerrero signed a deal that offseason paying him $14 million per season over five years.)

I do not recall hearing the word "loyalty" during those offseasons. I do not recall the public outcry to pay Pujols what he was worth. I do not recall burned Cardinals jerseys and message board threats against the front office and even more shameful language all because a team was taking advantage of the rules to generate a profit. The fact is, no one cared that Albert Pujols was one of the most underpaid men in America in those years, generating tens of millions of dollars in surplus value for an organization that just a few years prior had claimed the rights to his work product for a pittance in a process created solely for the purpose of doing just that.

And the fans cheered.
it's from http://www.royalsreview.com , but originally from the Joe Sheehan newsletter.
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Old 12-10-2011, 12:26 PM   #337
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Some Chicago fans want him back.

I've actually seen people compile a lineup where the middle of the lineup hits no higher than a whopping .240.
Biggest impediment to a Cubs World Series has been Wrigley. They play a ton more day games than anyone and wear down by June. There's even a term for it the Cubs June Swoon. Might have been able to over come that with good management. The Cubs have been cursed there.
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Just saw on ESPN news Pujols introed as an ANgel.

He left for money, thats fine he had the right to that. What upsets me is that he wants to say he didn't go for money, that he went because that's where his heart led him yada yada yada. Just acknowledge you left for money.
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Old 12-10-2011, 01:58 PM   #339
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Just saw on ESPN news Pujols introed as an ANgel.

He left for money, thats fine he had the right to that. What upsets me is that he wants to say he didn't go for money, that he went because that's where his heart led him yada yada yada. Just acknowledge you left for money.
He jus wanna git a wing
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Did anyone see the letter he had put in the STL paper?
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Old 12-10-2011, 02:02 PM   #341
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Did anyone see the letter he had put in the STL paper?
You mean the POS one obviously not written by him filled with BS cliches...yeah.
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I do hope we resign Furcal. Not sure why they're ****ing around on that one.
USA Today reporting Furcal has re-signed for 2/14.
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Just saw on ESPN news Pujols introed as an ANgel.

He left for money, thats fine he had the right to that. What upsets me is that he wants to say he didn't go for money, that he went because that's where his heart led him yada yada yada. Just acknowledge you left for money.
Its already been acknowledged that after taxes, housing, and cost of living the contracts would've been the same. He left because of being disrespected
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