If Mike Williams is on the board, should we take him? - Page 3

Red Dawg · 11-30-2004, 08:09 AM

I say yes, even though our defense is terrible. I would not pass up a chance at a possible super star on offense. If not him then I would take Rolle.

**Saulbadguy** · 11-30-2004, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He didn't say TOO small.

But yes, Johnson is a little small.

He's officially listed as 6'4", 235 pounds but most of the draft sites say he is only about 220...

Scouts inc lists him as 6'3 233. They are pretty accurate when reporting size. He is a "little" small I suppose, maybe 10 lbs too small. He's got some hellafied speed though.

philfree · 11-30-2004, 10:08 AM

Ray Lewis is a little on the small side too for a ILB.

PhilFree

KevB · 11-30-2004, 10:24 AM

'Gotta go with Rolle or Derrick Johnson if available. We absolutely have to find playmakers on D, rookies or not.

JohnnyV13 · 11-30-2004, 05:02 PM

Our draft strategy will clearly be affected by what we do in FA. The biggest thing tho, is we have to remember if we have a guy rated as a true impact player, we have to take him regardless of postion.

In another thread, I said we needed to target two Ravens on D:

1) Gary Baxter
2) Edgerton Hartwell

That will considerably help our D by shoring up corner and MLB. The biggest point is that both are YOUNG (26) too, so that will not kill us in terms of age, and with Dalton we might have 3 defenders with "Raven" attitudes (something we desperately need).

Other possibilities might be Titan defenders Andre Dyson at corner and Rocky Calmus at MLB. Gunther certainly knows them and they certainly can play Gunther's D, but Calmus will be a restricted FA. How available he will be will depend on the Titans tender offer to him.

I agree that Mike Williams is not a fit in the KC offense. In FA, the WR crop is thin; the two biggest targets are Plaxico Burress and Marvin Harrison. Obviously, Harrison is the prize; but, considering our needs on D, can we outbid the Colts for him?

That leaves the draft, and there I like the best pass rusher, presuming there is a difference making pass rusher in the draft. That, then is a matter of scouting. If there isn't that difference making guy, I say take Derrick Johnson. Gunther knows how to use an undersized linebacker (remember Donnie Edwards)?

A lot of this will depend on how exactly the first round evaluations shake out and the teams that draft in our neighborhood. Because if we could trade down and get Antrel Rolle that would be tempting.

We also will likely have the ammo to move into the low 1st for a second pick because we will probably have two 3rds because of the Tait compensatory pick.

**Saulbadguy** · 11-30-2004, 05:06 PM

Plaxico Burress or Marvin Harrison..hm...Harrison is a big name so we won't get him. The Colts probably wont re-sign him. They will re-sign Edge, as Harrisons production has dropped. I don't think Peyton cares who the hell he throws to.

Sure-Oz · 11-30-2004, 05:07 PM

I would take LB over a CB, it seems corners take longer to develop anyway, champ bailey being a rarer case. This offense needs speed at WR.

LiL stumppy · 11-30-2004, 05:14 PM

We shouldn't pick up a WR at all.We will be fine next year with BO and S.Parker not a rookie.We need Defense.

Sure-Oz · 11-30-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy

We shouldn't pick up a WR at all.We will be fine next year with BO and S.Parker not a rookie.We need Defense.

I hope Bo will still have his speed after that surgery. We do need a #1 wr threat though, we have too many #2 and 3 wr's.

tyton75 · 11-30-2004, 05:25 PM

My 2cents- we take the player with the greatest potential at being an "impact" player... someone who can change a freaking game.. I dont' care what position he is..

HolmeZz · 11-30-2004, 05:31 PM

I wanted Antrel more before the season really started, but I've grown into a huge DJ supporter. He's a freak and I think he can make an immediate impact.

Antrel's actually declined this year, IMO. I don't think he's a shut-down corner, and if anyone's watched tape of Miami this year, you'd see that Rolle is a tenth the cornerback he normally is when you send him in motion; and that's a big part of NFL offenses. I think Derrick's the better player and safer bet.

Plus, I think there are very good corner prospects who could be had later on in the draft, i.e. Pac-Man Jones, Bryant McFadden.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-30-2004, 05:38 PM

Sign Jerry Porter or Plaxico Burress. Draft D.

tk13 · 11-30-2004, 05:41 PM

I'd much rather have Derrick Johnson than any of those guys, I think he may be the best player available in this draft... our corners would look 1000 times better if they didn't have to defend people by themselves with no safety help 30 yards down the field because we don't get enough pass rush. I think Derrick Johnson can be a force rushing off the edge, his closing speed and ability is sick. I think Gunther can turn him into a QB killer. I'd address the safeties in the secondary before the corners... I never thought I'd say that.

Demonpenz · 11-30-2004, 05:58 PM

Derrick johnson is a one year wonder.

Demonpenz · 11-30-2004, 05:59 PM

move one of our shitty corners to saftey. I think Warfield would be a sick saftey, but he will stay at corner. Try bartee back at saftey

HolmeZz · 11-30-2004, 06:00 PM

Bartee could play safety. Keep Warfield at corner.

11-30-2004, 08:09 AM
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11-30-2004, 10:24 AM	#33
KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	'Gotta go with Rolle or Derrick Johnson if available. We absolutely have to find playmakers on D, rookies or not.
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11-30-2004, 05:02 PM	#34
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $5405200	Our draft strategy will clearly be affected by what we do in FA. The biggest thing tho, is we have to remember if we have a guy rated as a true impact player, we have to take him regardless of postion. In another thread, I said we needed to target two Ravens on D: 1) Gary Baxter 2) Edgerton Hartwell That will considerably help our D by shoring up corner and MLB. The biggest point is that both are YOUNG (26) too, so that will not kill us in terms of age, and with Dalton we might have 3 defenders with "Raven" attitudes (something we desperately need). Other possibilities might be Titan defenders Andre Dyson at corner and Rocky Calmus at MLB. Gunther certainly knows them and they certainly can play Gunther's D, but Calmus will be a restricted FA. How available he will be will depend on the Titans tender offer to him. I agree that Mike Williams is not a fit in the KC offense. In FA, the WR crop is thin; the two biggest targets are Plaxico Burress and Marvin Harrison. Obviously, Harrison is the prize; but, considering our needs on D, can we outbid the Colts for him? That leaves the draft, and there I like the best pass rusher, presuming there is a difference making pass rusher in the draft. That, then is a matter of scouting. If there isn't that difference making guy, I say take Derrick Johnson. Gunther knows how to use an undersized linebacker (remember Donnie Edwards)? A lot of this will depend on how exactly the first round evaluations shake out and the teams that draft in our neighborhood. Because if we could trade down and get Antrel Rolle that would be tempting. We also will likely have the ammo to move into the low 1st for a second pick because we will probably have two 3rds because of the Tait compensatory pick.
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11-30-2004, 05:06 PM	#35
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	Plaxico Burress or Marvin Harrison..hm...Harrison is a big name so we won't get him. The Colts probably wont re-sign him. They will re-sign Edge, as Harrisons production has dropped. I don't think Peyton cares who the hell he throws to.
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11-30-2004, 05:14 PM	#37
LiL stumppy 62-21 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Casino cash: $9913684	We shouldn't pick up a WR at all.We will be fine next year with BO and S.Parker not a rookie.We need Defense. __________________ I'm just cakn partna
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11-30-2004, 05:25 PM	#39
tyton75 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3848386	My 2cents- we take the player with the greatest potential at being an "impact" player... someone who can change a freaking game.. I dont' care what position he is..
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11-30-2004, 05:31 PM	#40
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	I wanted Antrel more before the season really started, but I've grown into a huge DJ supporter. He's a freak and I think he can make an immediate impact. Antrel's actually declined this year, IMO. I don't think he's a shut-down corner, and if anyone's watched tape of Miami this year, you'd see that Rolle is a tenth the cornerback he normally is when you send him in motion; and that's a big part of NFL offenses. I think Derrick's the better player and safer bet. Plus, I think there are very good corner prospects who could be had later on in the draft, i.e. Pac-Man Jones, Bryant McFadden.
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11-30-2004, 05:38 PM	#41
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $5654952	Sign Jerry Porter or Plaxico Burress. Draft D. __________________
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11-30-2004, 05:41 PM	#42
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1687500	I'd much rather have Derrick Johnson than any of those guys, I think he may be the best player available in this draft... our corners would look 1000 times better if they didn't have to defend people by themselves with no safety help 30 yards down the field because we don't get enough pass rush. I think Derrick Johnson can be a force rushing off the edge, his closing speed and ability is sick. I think Gunther can turn him into a QB killer. I'd address the safeties in the secondary before the corners... I never thought I'd say that.
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11-30-2004, 05:58 PM	#43
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11-30-2004, 05:59 PM	#44
Demonpenz Woman should only make babies Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $-213864	move one of our shitty corners to saftey. I think Warfield would be a sick saftey, but he will stay at corner. Try bartee back at saftey __________________
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11-30-2004, 06:00 PM	#45
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Bartee could play safety. Keep Warfield at corner.
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