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Fat Elvis · 12-01-2008, 09:35 AM

What impact does having falling from #2 to #5 have on our draft?

**DeezNutz** · 12-01-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

What, you mean there are a lot of similarities between Matthew Stafford and JaMarcus Russell?

Is that what it sounded like I was saying?

And you're right, I'm sure QB genius Dick Curl can instantly correct the problems that QB dunces Richt and Bobo haven't been able to fix in three years...

This is an honest question: what was your stance on Matt Ryan?

**DeezNutz** · 12-01-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Think Micheal Johnson will fall to round 2? No worthy of a top 10 pick, but has a great frame where he could develop into a top notch DE.

No. Thin at DE, so some players will get overvalued.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-01-2008, 10:25 AM

And so it begins...

Chief Faithful · 12-01-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

What, you mean there are a lot of similarities between Matthew Stafford and JaMarcus Russell?

Is that what it sounded like I was saying?

And you're right, I'm sure QB genius Dick Curl can instantly correct the problems that QB dunces Richt and Bobo haven't been able to fix in three years...

I get to watch Stafford every week and all I can say is it would be in his best interest to stay in college and develop his game. He has maybe the best OL in the SEC and he still struggles eventhough he seldom gets touched. His footwork is horrific under pressure I mean really really bad moving around and stepping up in the pocket with pressure. Under a coach like Bill Walsh he may become a good NFL QB because he has size and arm strength, but he will need a lot of time under a good QB coach to pull it out of him. With Dick Curl as QB coach the guy would be the next coming of Todd Blackledge in KC.

eazyb81 · 12-01-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Think Micheal Johnson will fall to round 2? No worthy of a top 10 pick, but has a great frame where he could develop into a top notch DE.

Someone in the 1st, probably top half of 1st, will fall in love with Johnson's measurables and take a chance on him.

Chief Faithful · 12-01-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

No. Thin at DE, so some players will get overvalued.

That is what I fear, which means there may be no solutions at DE in this draft unless the Chiefs reach.

duncan_idaho · 12-01-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This is an honest question: what was your stance on Matt Ryan?

I liked him a lot. Was a fan of drafting him IF he fell to the Chiefs but didn't want to sacrifice the whole draft to trade up for him.

A lot of people like to point to Stafford having no talent around him, but Ryan is a true example of that. No receivers that really were even as good as Massaquoi, let alone A.J. Green. No RB anywhere CLOSE to Moreno.

And yeah, Stafford's OL has been patchwork and not very good this year, but Ryan's line never protected him any better that Stafford's has this year. And he never had the benefit of a great running back - or a dominant OL, as Stafford had the second half of 2007.

If Stafford and Ryan both are in THIS draft and I'm sitting at No. 1 wanting to take a QB, I take Ryan without even blinking.

**DeezNutz** · 12-01-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I liked him a lot. Was a fan of drafting him IF he fell to the Chiefs but didn't want to sacrifice the whole draft to trade up for him.

A lot of people like to point to Stafford having no talent around him, but Ryan is a true example of that. No receivers that really were even as good as Massaquoi, let alone A.J. Green. No RB anywhere CLOSE to Moreno.

And yeah, Stafford's OL has been patchwork and not very good this year, but Ryan's line never protected him any better that Stafford's has this year. And he never had the benefit of a great running back - or a dominant OL, as Stafford had the second half of 2007.

If Stafford and Ryan both are in THIS draft and I'm sitting at No. 1 wanting to take a QB, I take Ryan without even blinking.

Ok, very good. There's a strand of poster on this site who is anti any highly drafted QB. Glad this isn't you.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-01-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I. He has maybe the best OL in the SEC and he still struggles eventhough he seldom gets touched. .

He has 3 FRESHMEN on his line, you ****ing moron.

His Completion % has gone up every year. His yardage has gone up every year. His touchdows have gone up every year. His YPA has gone up every year, and his rating has gone up every year.

If you want to talk about someone who never gets touched, talk about Sam Bradford.

**DeezNutz** · 12-01-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

That is what I fear, which means there may be no solutions at DE in this draft unless the Chiefs reach.

Maybe that stash of FA money will come in handy?

Chief Faithful · 12-01-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He has 3 FRESHMEN on his line, you ****ing moron.

His Completion % has gone up every year. His yardage has gone up every year. His touchdows have gone up every year. His YPA has gone up every year, and his rating has gone up every year.

If you want to talk about someone who never gets touched, talk about Sam Bradford.

Go watch a Bulldog game once in a while.

**DaKCMan AP** · 12-01-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I get to watch Stafford every week and all I can say is it would be in his best interest to stay in college and develop his game. He has maybe the best OL in the SEC and he still struggles eventhough he seldom gets touched. His footwork is horrific under pressure I mean really really bad moving around and stepping up in the pocket with pressure. Under a coach like Bill Walsh he may become a good NFL QB because he has size and arm strength, but he will need a lot of time under a good QB coach to pull it out of him. With Dick Curl as QB coach the guy would be the next coming of Todd Blackledge in KC.

**Saulbadguy** · 12-01-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

His Completion % has gone up every year. His yardage has gone up every year. His touchdows have gone up every year. His YPA has gone up every year, and his rating has gone up every year.

This right here is the measurable for a solid, can't miss NFL prospect, folks.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-01-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

This right here is the measurable for a solid, can't miss NFL prospect, folks.

Combine that with a guy who can read a defense, who has an elite arm, who is mobile, tough, and who is a leader on his team, and it's as close as you are going to get.

Please though, I want to hear about how drafting Michael Oher or Andre Smith is the path to success.

duncan_idaho · 12-01-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

Oh I agree with you. Tyson Jackson would be a project to say the least, but I'm saying if they wanted to take a DE and Orakpo/M. Johnson wasn't there and they had to take the BPA in the first. it would be an option, not a good one, but an option nonetheless.

Jackson in 2/3 would be OK. Earlier than that is a stretch, I think.

This is going to be an interesting draft. It is probably going to be heavy on franchise tackles, quick slot receiver/return guys, and productive RBs who don't project at full-time guys/don't have the speed to be NFL starters. Weird collection.

Other than the three tackles, there are a lot of guys who would be reaches at No. 5 or be guys taken a little out of the normal draft slot for their position.

Taylor Mays is a special, special athlete, but taking a safety in the top 10 always raises some eyebrows (and traditionally is a reach).

Each of the top LBs has some warts (Muauluga isn't fluid and not great moving laterally, Laurenitis doesn't shed blocks well, etc).

The DE class is thin, as stated, and there is no guy who is certain to be an every-down stud.

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