Gunther's finger pointing has already begun...

[DaWolf]

Typical. Would expect nothing less from a guy who loves to blame everyone but himself on his failures...

“I’ve gone through three years of playing zone defense because I was loyal to Herm Edwards,” Cunningham said today in a conference call. “That’s what he wanted. People here in town knew that I was different than that. My idea is to put a lot of pressure on the quarterback — always has been, always will be.”

This after you proclaim that you love Herm Edwards and the Cover 2 has always been a part of your scheme and that the "handcuffs" had been taken off with Herm, all while you were throwing Vermeil under the bus.

I guess Gunther really doesn't have a spine.

“The emotions get involved, ‘Oh, we’ll play with all these young players,’ ” Cunningham said. “But what you don’t understand is, they have to be led by guys like Jared Allen.”

“If you have a lot of young players that you’re going to draft, you have to make sure you work the whole process,” Cunningham said. “I believe the mistake we made here is that they tried to add some UFA players like Demorrio Williams. Well, he doesn’t have enough experience and enough ability to lead a bunch of rookies. …

“I can at least share what happened here and the pitfalls we ran into and see what the process brings.”

Yeah, so the answer I suppose would be signing all those UFA's you had on your list that you gave to Carl and proclaimed that Carl delivered. That Kendrell Bell, helluva leader Gun.

http://www.freep.com/article/2009012...mon+with+Lions

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

QFT!

I will agree to this and endorse this post....

It's that exact scenario that Pioli is trying to avoid.

He wants the GM, coach and coordinators to be on the same page. Carl, Herm, Gun, Solari and Gailey weren't close to being on the same page. They each wanted and had a different approach.

No way does Pioli keep Herm around.

[keg in kc]

The beauty of today is that Gunther is no longer relevant in any way.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Well that didn't take long.

I honestly thought Gun would wait a day or two before acting like a four year old, shows how stupid I am.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He basically confirmed all of the things that fans have been speculating about for years:

1. Herm insisted on a cover 2 and Gun wasn't a good match for that scheme.
2. The team had no veteran leadership.
3. You don't trade away your best player, especially when it is a pass rushing DE.
4. Gun and Herm are weasels that will push women and children out of their way as they head for the lifeboats.

You just laid out a perfect case as to why Herm has no business being employed by this organization. If he can't put assistants around him that will help him be successful, he is as incompetent as his assistants. Herm had no plan on how to build this team and on how to build a coaching staff...

[Old Dog]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He basically confirmed all of the things that fans have been speculating about for years:

1. Herm insisted on a cover 2 and Gun wasn't a good match for that scheme.
2. The team had no veteran leadership.
3. You don't trade away your best player, especially when it is a pass rushing DE.
4. Gun and Herm are weasels that will push women and children out of their way as they head for the lifeboats.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Petro's comment from earlier today is valid:

The fact that Gunther was hired shows that at least one respected, young HC believes that the defense wasn't Gun's fault, so this puts it on the doorstep of Herm Edwards.

Petro wasn't trying to excuse Gun, and neither am I, but it was an interesting comment.

So if the defense sucks in Detroit it will be Schwartz's fault and not Gunthers? And to reverse that logic, the fact that our 1990's defenses were good was due to Marty, not Gunther? So to summarize, Petro is arguing that Gunther's job is to collect a paycheck and let the head coach fix the defense...

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Just to play Devil's advocate here. Perhaps because Herm knows he is not an offensive guru but thinks he knows a lot about defense. Therefore, Herm wanted to control the defense more. I dunno, just a thought.

That may be the case, but either way, Herm should leave because he wasn't willing to make adjustments (or see that they needed to be made) on defense. I blame Herm and Gun for this.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

You just laid out a perfect case as to why Herm has no business being employed by this organization. If he can't put assistants around him that will help him be successful, he is as incompetent as his assistants. Herm had no plan on how to build this team and on how to build a coaching staff...

bingo X 1000

[Rooster]

I would be throwing these clowns under the bus too. He was in a no win situation.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Laz

he is such a freakin puzzy

seriously he has been talking shit for years and not backing it up. Every time it doesn't work he cries some sort of excuse.



every year is gonna be THE YEAR until he starts whining about how someone else screwed it up.

I second that sentiment.

He's a weak coach.

So glad he's gone -- about three years too late but whatever.

[eazyb81]

Gunther Cunningham can go **** himself.

He's the most worthless and overrated member of the 90's Chiefs franchise.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

So if the defense sucks in Detroit it will be Schwartz's fault and not Gunthers? And to reverse that logic, the fact that our 1990's defenses were good was due to Marty, not Gunther? So to summarize, Petro is arguing that Gunther's job is to collect a paycheck and let the head coach fix the defense...

Quality burning right there.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

So if the defense sucks in Detroit it will be Schwartz's fault and not Gunthers? And to reverse that logic, the fact that our 1990's defenses were good was due to Marty, not Gunther? So to summarize, Petro is arguing that Gunther's job is to collect a paycheck and let the head coach fix the defense...

Exactly.

Take the credit when things go well and blame everyone else when it goes bad.

Gunther showed his real understanding of the world when he complained about the Bears running a college defense in his first game in Chicago rather than making an adjustment that would limit their ability to keep running the same play.

RUN THE BALL AND PLAY DEFENSE! RUN THE BALL AND PLAY DEFENSE!

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Rooster

I would be throwing these clowns under the bus too. He was in a no win situation.

Doesn't mean that he isn't terrible though.

[Kylo Ren]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Typical. Would expect nothing less from a guy who loves to blame everyone but himself on his failures...


This after you proclaim that you love Herm Edwards and the Cover 2 has always been a part of your scheme and that the "handcuffs" had been taken off with Herm, all while you were throwing Vermeil under the bus.

I guess Gunther really doesn't have a spine.






Yeah, so the answer I suppose would be signing all those UFA's you had on your list that you gave to Carl and proclaimed that Carl delivered. That Kendrell Bell, helluva leader Gun.

http://www.freep.com/article/2009012...mon+with+Lions

I agree with Gunther. I always suspected that the cover 2 was not his defense and he was trying to make lemonade out of crappy lemons. Gunther has some blame, but less than 50%. I'd put more than 50% on Herm. I think Gun, if he chose his own players and scheme, would have been more sucessful with the Chiefs.